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Grinder,
I'm a union electrician, I work for a honest wage, and get paid by the hour.
"Get some references for pet sake"........I should say so, I work with hundreds of they every day!
"Can't you find a man who takes pride in his work?".....Why yes I can, I know a handful. If you were in the building trades about 40 years ago, you could say that just about everyone took pride. You can't say that today.
"The cheapest price is not always the best price!"......You don't say.....well, I never did.
I don't want to turn this into bashing, my point was an "Honest" wage. I don't mind paying a plumber $30 an hour, or a framer $25. What I do mind is paying a plumber $8000 dollars....he's done in a day and a half, with about $1000 worth of materials, end's up taking $7000. Or a roofer who charges $7,500, with about $1500 in materials, gets done in a day and after paying his spanish speeking workers, pockets $5,500.
If he walks off the job....he don't get paid.
Grinder...Nice carpentry on that lodge of yours  No hard feelings!
Glad to see you found a good one BC!
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Grinder, your comment about the "cheapest price may not be the best price" makes me laugh at my own experiences. My wife always insists on getting 3 estimates for a job. Usually we end up going with the HIGHEST price because we trust the person with the highest price the most. I feel like I am one of the 3 stooges bidding the price up higher than the original quote!
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ncrunch32
I have a friend who has been in the remodel biz for 30+
yrs and I consider him to be the master builder.
He say's "any time you get an estimate you get a sh%^ty
job".
Think about it, where is the incentive to do a good job?
The incentive, (if the guy is greedy) is to do it fast.
Fast or good, you can't have both.
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My old neighbor built a home a year after we moved away. 4 years later he was still in court with his GC and about 6 buisnesses the GC had hired to do the jobs. My old neighbor had PAID his GC the final payment BEFORE he got a list of ALL the subs and such. (BTW) The neighbor is a assitant district attorny for the town of 98K that I used to live in) He said he is losing his ass, He will be sueing the GC BUT HE (my old neighbor)is responsible for paying the bills. He had his old GC in court for 2 years and wound up getting nothing! The guy had nothing left to take?
I got a call from a distibuter of septic tanks. He told me that the bill for MY tank was not paid by my plumber friend who installed my septic/holding tank. It was a 1200 dollar bill. I told him that I am sure my plumber would pay even though he was 3 months late! I proceeded to call my buddy and ask WHAT IS UP? He was as emabarresed as could be for not paying the bill. He sent out payment the next week. I followed up to make sure. This is where I could of been stuck with a BILL like yours. The person who sold the tanl to my friend informed me that IF he did not get paid in 2 weeks he would file a lein on MY house. Guess what? He would of been able to do it and I am the only person responsible for that payment.
I can go after my plumber for recovery of money I already spent (gave to him) BUT the retailer of the tank does not have to worry about that because I am the BUYER of his equipment and the plumber is only representing me.
This is why (one of the reasons) we have several draws on a project. The final payment should NEVER be made till you have all the bills and reciepts for ALL the things in your place. If you see something that is not on a bill marked PAID do not pay the final payment till its cleared up.
I agree whole heartedly, being on the job site everyday is paramont.
BTW
My plumber buddy? Yes he is still a friend. BUT, I find out later that he has a habit of robbing Peter to pay Paul and is late (extremely) late on many of his bills. SO late that I fear sooner or later he will end up down on his luck and end up running with alot of unpaid bills. Needless to say I will stay friends with him BUT I will not hire him to do anymore plumbing/septic tank work for me especially when I have my new house built.
good luck
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Sorry for all your proplems, There are to many contractors out there that are fly by nights. I pride myself on repeat custermers, I personally feel that it is easier to keep your exsisting paying custermer than finding new ones. I even have custermers that I go back to that if the GC went there he would be shot. Have I been taken yes at my own house I hired an excavator for the septic , paid him in full ,he did about 3/4 of the job and I had to fire him and pay onther guy 1000 to finish with only a week left on my construction load. The first guy thretend to put a lien on the house if I didnt pay for extras witch included a seacond waste tank because he broke the first. I had to pay him because the bank wouldn't tranfer me to an long term low interest loan without a lien free waiver. After all this I have learned have written contract for both my buesness and my house
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