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 09-03-2010, 09:13 Post: 173673
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Your neighbor isn't quite right, the trailer won't be illegal in two years.

It's illegal now, and in fact has been all along.

You won't find the info you're looking for on any DOT or Police site either. It's in the regulations under the FMVSS (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards). It's an immense beast of a document.

Basically, all components of any licensed vehicle, not "farm use" or off-road, MUST conform to those standards. I.E. be stamped "DOT" or "V-5" or something to show that it complies.

Now that's not say anyone actually checks, but if they do, like following an accident, it could be a problem. It could (and likely would) also be enough for an insurance company to deny a claim.

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 09-03-2010, 17:35 Post: 173691
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What I know is it NOT illegal to have mobile tires on a trailer--I have them on my 12,500 dump trailer. Pretty sure MHT are DOT approved regardless---but will verify when I'm back in the yard.What I also know is the feds are or have outlawed if you haul mobile homes the use of 7" wide tires which are lower rated compared to the required 8" wide which are not quite double the rating and supposed to last longer. Years ago I called the MDOT and asked about using mobile home tires and they said it is not an issue.



EW, I think you're mixing up 2 different things.

MH tires & axles are for delivery of a new, unlicensed units only. As such they are not on a licensed vehicle and are allowed to run cheaper 'delivery' hardware.

The 7" wide tires were an issue only because of loads transmitted to the road surface. An 8" wide tire is +14% wider than a 7" tire is and so spreads the weight over a larger surface. Capacity is based on ply rating, etc., not width

For years all 14.5" tires on UTG style rims were generically called MHT's but that's not correct. They are available as 'standard' 12 ply tires also.

If you look at a true MHT, the sidewall clearly reads "Delivery Only" or "Mobile Home only" or something like that, and there is no "DOT" stamp in the sidewall either.

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 09-07-2010, 10:16 Post: 173804
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Jeff - "Murf, then anyone hauling a used home is doing so illegally?"

Answer - If it's now a licensed vehicle, yes. Bear in mind, almost all of this non-DOT hardware I'm talking about is only found on 12+' wide units and about the only time I've seen it on an 8' wide was when that unit was a "split unit" i.e. a 8' half, open on one side, which was then conjoined with another to form a 16' wide unit.

Jeff- "my sources tell me that the 8" are taller by as much as 1.5" which I know, and wider and thereby, in part, carry a heavier rating. I was told the 7" were lower pressure 70 PSI-ish (mine are 85 PSI) and 8" are sometimes 110 (as my other worn out sets are)"

Reply - The whole point of MHT's & MH axles can be summed up in one word - "CHEAP". That's why a MH has 3 or 4 axles when 2 'regular' axles would do the job. They (and the tongue as well) were often returned to the factory for reuse after the unit had been delivered to the customer.


Jeff - "the little research I did says that in Michigan at least, there is no specific law banning the use of MH tires or axles for other purposes."

Reply - There is, but it's one of those "hip bone connects to the leg bone" kinda things. All 'vehicles' must comply to the FMVSS, a MHT doesn't, ergo it's not legal.

Jeff - "As far as DOT-approved, as the article I found pointed out, if it's used upon a highway it has to be DOT approved. Further, the MI law specifically states categories of tires that shall not be used on a highway: marked for "not for highway service" and "for non highway racing only", but nothing about MHS.

Reply - A farm tractor tire, is not DOT approved either, but it's still allowed on a 'highway' because it's not on a 'vehicle'. Likewise you could use MH axle & MHT's on a haywagon on the highway, or on a piece of "road building equipment" since it's not a 'vehicle' either. A MH being delivered is not a 'vehicle' under the law, it's a house being moved. Different kettle of fish.


Jeff - "And speaking of "DOT approved" per se, I'm not sure there is such a thing. There is a DOT number, but that is not an approval, but for tracking for safety and identification---so I was told by the Nebraska attorney general a few years ago."

Reply - Again, read the FMVSS, it lays out in excruciatingly painfull detail all sorts of seemingly trivial standards. If it doesn't meet those standards, it's not legal.

Jeff - I've never been wrong. Ok, ONCE I was mistaken. Laughing out loud

Reply - Huh, all these years and I never knew you'd been married previously. Wink yeah right


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