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 09-18-2006, 16:15 Post: 135267
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 09-18-2006, 18:02 Post: 135269
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Rather than writing about what was wrong with my Suburban, it is much easer to write the almost NOTHING worked as advertised on the truck. When you factor on the engine replacement at 18,000 miles, axle leaks, brake problems, both side view mirrors falling off and never were useable due to shaking and vibration; the truck was a total POS. It looked sharp but that is about it. All GM did was try to apply half assed fixes to it and did the Fred Astere routine in tap dancing to avoid backing up the warranty. My Dodge Ram is a total different story. I am still in love with the truck some 4 years after I bought it.






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 09-18-2006, 20:02 Post: 135272
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Im with Chief, know Murf think our Dodges are second rate, but I have $200 in repairs after 100K. The crank shaft position sensor had to be replaced. I have not even had to change the brake pads yet. I had good luck out of my Ford also, but had to change a 2$ seal in the rear end at 60K and it was recalled a number of times. It was the first year for the F150 in 97. I changed the rear end oil and replaced the seal in the rear end so a $60 fix for me, but I am sure it would have been a $300 job at the Ford shop.

The last Chevy I worked on was a friends truck with a bad bearing at 100K. I was not impressed. A friend with an engine shop says he fixes 3 GM for each Ford or Chrysler. Parts are cheap and plentiful, but I am not sure this is a good or bad thing. Supply normally follow demand.

The Geo Prism is from the Toyota/GM plant in Fremont CA. It is essentially a badge engineered Corolla. The Pontiac Jibe is also from this plant, a badge engineered Matrix.






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 09-18-2006, 23:52 Post: 135280
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Read the fine print on any extended warranty before you get too excited about it.

I had an extended warranty on my '95 Toyota Pick-up. I thought I was buying a Toyota warranty but when I checked later it was some sort of generic thing from (I think) GE financial.

Anyway, it was a "Gotcha". The engine developed an oval shape in the #1 cylinder and a piston slap, probably due to a head gasket/leakage problem.... which was the subject of a big recall 10 years ago on all V-6 engines.

After the dealer tore the engine down they got a call from the extended warranty carrier who refused to cover the repairs. The warranty covered all moving, lubricated parts in the drive train.

They said since the problem was in the engine block....it was not a "moving part".






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 09-19-2006, 07:25 Post: 135283
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Geo Prizm = Toyota Corolla; There's a "Toyota" stamp on the engine to prove it.

I think another Geo model might have been made by Suzuki.






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 09-19-2006, 07:59 Post: 135286
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Eric, I know several guys who love their Cummins powered Dodges, not including you guys here.

The big problem from my point of view was two-fold, under-powered (at the time) and loud (again, at the time).

One of the pilots who has a plane at my airport has two Dodge 3/4 ton 4x4's, We jumped in one of his trucks the other day to go grab breakfast and I joked that I should have worn my noise-cancelling David Clark headset!! When we got back he got in my truck and went for a spin, he was amazed at how much quiter it was, especially when we were standing outside in between both of them running. Bear in mind, my truck has basically open pipes too!!

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 09-19-2006, 08:10 Post: 135288
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Ahhhhh, but Murf........that noisey (to me more like a loud purrrrr) ;O) aromatic, rattling Cummins is what makes the truck. The new common rail diesels are quiet because the fuel injection event is timed in stages. This does indeed quiet the engine down......... It also takes a BIG bite out of the fuel economy. I looked at the Ford and GM diesels but did not want to be a ginny pig on a newly marketed engine. Both the Duramax and especially the Ford 6.0 Powerstroke had a terrible time with fuel injectors going bad initially. I just wanted a very reliable truck with a diesel. My 2002 Cummins averages around 22 to 23 mpg. I have gotten a tad over 26 on a tank or two. I drive like an old foeggie, usually never above 50 mph. If Ford offered the F-250 or F-350 with a Cummins diesel, I would probably be driving a Ford truck.






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 09-19-2006, 08:23 Post: 135289
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Randy, LMAO!!!

That's *exactly* what this guy said, the noise is what makes it a truck!!!

I have the best of both worlds though, with open pipes it's barely louder than stock at idle, but about 2k rpm it starts to really make some noise, that deep throaty big block, high compression bark!!

I think it's great, the meeeesus, well, not so much!! Laughing out loud.

Mind you, I think aerobatics are a lot more fun than she does too!! Deputy Dog likes them too though!! LMAO!!!

BTW, I won't buy a 6.0 litre yet either, since my PSD is now mostly a toy, and I don't commute, my 1999 still only has about 150k miles (248k km) on it, so it will stay for a while yet.

When they bring out the new Land Rover diesel, I will be first in line though.

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 09-19-2006, 14:51 Post: 135299
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I had a 90' Astro van 230,000, 77' Pontiac Grand am 14 years old 180,000, 83 S-10 with a 4 banger from japan, that engine 70,000 miles pulling a bass boat it did not last. I have no problem with GM. I kind of go with the best deal






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 09-19-2006, 15:38 Post: 135302
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Murf; When I bought mine they had a new Ford sitting right next to it. We tested one after the other. The Ford was quieter outside and the Dodge better inside. Both were the delux models so the sound insulation was the best offered. I thought the deeper tone of the Dodge was less abrasive to the nerves.
I am with Chief, if the Cummins was in the Ford I would have bought one. This was the first Dodge I have bought. I gained a low mile Omni 024 with my wife and a pile of work. At the time I could not convince her to flog the dog and keep my 74 Volvo 142 GL. After rebuilding the upper end I basicly gave it away. I never wanted another one.
DR I think I would have argued that the moving piston had caused the damage not the stationary block. My experience with Toyota has also been less than stellar. We bought a Previa van in 92 just out of waranty the switch for the oil reservior pump broke and decided to empty it into the engine. Luckally I caught it, my wife would have toasted the engine, but I could not figure out why they did not use gravity feed. Naturally the switch was $300 and you needed to remove the crossmember and oil pan to get at it. I talked the area service rep into the repair. At about 60K the unibody started to sag and the front window cracked. Toyota looked the other way on this one althought the body was still under waranty. When the van was hit in a front end offset crash, I was lucky to walk away despite the fact I was barely moving trying to avoid the on coming car. Naturally I had it written off. Luckally it happened just before the insurance institute demonstrated their offset crash on the Previa, showing it to be a death trap above 40 mph and reduced the resale to nil.






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