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 11-29-2004, 14:05 Post: 101247
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Glad everything worked out well.

Do yourself a favour though, before it gets too beaten up start pouring on the CaCl heavy, it will really help to lock it down and make it solid.

You may also want to look into tar & chip for the surface once it is well packed and stable. For a private roadway of that size it is not expensive and will keep the surface in very good condition for a long time.

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 11-29-2004, 16:36 Post: 101259
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Another option, not sure it is available to you ? But a common practice here is to use recycled asphalt or brown pack.
They (PIKE INDUSTRIES) mix fine gravel with the asphalt they remove from resurfacing jobs and sell it. It is used for a base before paving driveways or as a finished surface.
Packs like cement but, can easily be regraded year to year.
The gravel mixture keeps the old asphalt from clumping together. I have used it many times with great results. The stone surface could create problems with the snow removal.
Merely an observation.






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 11-30-2004, 06:58 Post: 101287
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grinder, who or what kind of company would sell the old asphalt?






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 12-01-2004, 05:31 Post: 101356
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Asphalt plants do in this area. When they resurface some of the roads, they bring in this huge asphalt rototiller and grind it up first. Most of the time they use it right there for a base. But they also remove it back to the plant in some instances? Depends on the roads needs I quess? Makes
a super driveway surface short of paving. We pay around $180.00 - 200.00 per 12-14 yard load. I think they call it 13 ton. I find one load will do about 100' 10-12 ' wide 2-3 " thick.
Pike industries. here in central Me. Check out there web site and beyond roads .com
Check your yellow pages for asphalt plants. Make sure it has some gravel of some type mixed, or you will get straight asphalt and it will turn to large solid chunks
after driving on it.






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 12-06-2004, 05:41 Post: 101680
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Thanks for all the help gentlemen.






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 12-06-2004, 05:42 Post: 101681
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murf, what is CaCl?






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 12-07-2004, 19:36 Post: 101790
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For what its worth- in my area(MI) they sell recycled ground up concrete for subbase and topping for driveways. From the one drive I seen, once it gets a bit of traffic packing it, its as tuff as poured. Most drives in my area get the 22a road gravel (claytype sand and gravel) 6-12" thk depend on subgrade. I had some 21AA gravel and stone dust left from some projects so I started an 'experiment' a short driveway to my barn-laid the gravel and thin layerd the stone dust on top-so far it's holding up real good no wheel 'ruts'.






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 12-09-2004, 07:51 Post: 101943
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I will need to educate myself as to whats available in my area as far as a good road base material, and also try to figure out what the nieghbors have done. Although a few of their roads are not in very good shape. I also would like mine to be hard, or well compacted, not loose gravel like others I have been on. Is that just a matter of time, or is it more a factor of how its built, and what materials are used? Thanks again






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 12-09-2004, 10:16 Post: 101953
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Sorry for the delay replying.

CaCl is the chemical symbol for Calcium Chloride.

It is commonly used for things like accelerating concrete curing times, as well as an ice melter.

It is the most common, because it's the cheapest, chemical they apply, either as a liquid or as pellets, to dirt roads to keep the dust down and bind the surface.

The biggest mistake I see people make when doing new road construction is using the wrong material in the wrong spot. The material commonly called 'pit run' or 'bank run' which is a mixture of sand and gravel, usually rounded stones, is a great thing to use as a base, to build up the ground to make drainage. The problem is it doesn't stand up well to vehicle travel, it keeps moving, tires can chew it up badly, even just rolling straight over it. For the top layers you want something with a fairly small particle size and sharp, irregular corners that will lock together and really bind up. This is what makes the difference between a hard, long-lasting surface and the bumpy rutted surface that needs constant maintenance.

Unless you've got REALLY good drainage try to avoid anything with clay or silt in it, it tends to absorb and retain water. In an area subject to freeze & thaw cycles this can lead to a spongey mess caused by the frost heaving.

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 12-09-2004, 12:18 Post: 101962
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Murph
I have started my own gravel yard.Laughing out loud Every so often I get a few loads delivered (when I get a few extra bucks)as to keep up with the costs. It may sound foolish but what a difference it will make in the future on out of pocket expenses. I learned the hard way what you were talking about. After adding pit run to the drive twice in 3 years I have started a crushed road gravel pile. Where I have already put it down I see a difference already. (I have not had to regrade it since) As time goes on I will eventually have the whole drive finished but untill then I just keep buying a few loads evry couple of months. One of my pics has the start of the piles in the background and since then have increased dramatically.
Good advice you have gave everyone!






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