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Murf
My snowplow on my pickup, my backblade on my tractor, and my front snowblower on my tractor are flat. They do not conform to 'crowned' gravel. It pushs it to the side and in the case of the snowblower, it picks up gravel. I realize and often have adjust the skids due to not having enough frost in the driveway, but I dont have any problem with level gravel if it is has enough frost. I must say mine is pretty flat and straight, so if one has curves and hills, it could be different.
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dsq
Your comment about dentists is quite ignorant. I happen to put in several driveways every year up here in N.Wisc., so dont give me crap about not knowing anything about gravel road construction. I also do logging roads and understand the complete difference in what each requires. When you have at least 5 years of experience in doing these things, then I will listen to you - till then - keep your dumb ass comments to yourself. I was only trying to give the guy the guy some of my personal experience and some help.
I also plow and snowblow snow in the winter and the crowned driveways just do not clean out as well as those that are completely flat. You are certainly entitled to your opinions, but dont 'diss' someone else who does things differently and gets great success. That is what this forum is about - giving some advice or help, not to bash.
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Doc, I apologize for the (diss) No Harm intended. I've been playing with gravel since the mid 1970's , and it was IMHO.
David
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Does your subdivision have a name, recorded at the registry,
collect common area dues,File a non-profit with the IRS,?
I would notify my insurance company in writing and get an
answer in writing. My wife and I built our first house in a
recorded sub-division about ten houses on the lake. I plowed the road
as I was in the plowing business. We also had a common beach area
which brought up the subject of liability at one of our assc. meetings.
Upon consulting with a lawyer it was recommended that anyone we hired
(plowing, grading,cutting,etc had to provide proof of Commercial insurance.
Murf hit the nail right on the head "shotgun litigation".
It may be tough to prove any of the homeowners liable, but
your property(clear Title) is clouded while any potential claims wait to get to court. Here in Maine I would dare say that would be 2-4 yrs.
This is how it was explained to me by my "liar" I mean Lawyer. He is in the process of Incorporating my small construction business and taking my name off the deed.
It is a sad state of affairs but we are where we are.
CYA(call your atty.)( cover your A
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Aw geez Grinder, more to deal with now huh. Its's a shame an old geezer like me can't do a little research, get on his tractor and do a good deed for himself and his neighbors without some jerk suing over something that was probably his own fault. Our subdivision is called Riverview subdivision and is registered with the county. It is supposed to have an owners association but we never have meetings. One of us gathered money from each of us and had rock put on the road twice and that's all that has been done. My wife does research for a lawyer so I will try to get some free advise from him. Man, this is taking all the fun out of the road work. Bummer.
Hey doc, I understand the flat road idea and use it on my driveway because of the way the land lays. It's important to look way beyond the road when deciding how to grade it. I watch it when it is dry and I watch it when it rains. The water flow tells a lot if you just look and it tells me this road needs a lot of work.
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Carldarnell
I didnt realize you were doing a whole road for a subdivision. Do you have curb and gutter or ditches. That would be a big job and should have a little crown due to the width. The driveways I do are rarely more that 10 feet or so wide - so, flat works well.
Sounds to me something the developer should have had laid out prior to selling lots. That is required here in Wisc.
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doc, there are no gutters or curbs but some ditches. It's all gravel about one mile long with a cul-de-sac at the end. The first 2/3 mile is about 100 years old and went to an old brick home that was pushed into a pond that was on my property. The last 1/3 mile is not very good at all. It is lower than the surrounding ground and turns into a river. The part I live on is the old part and I have ditched my side some and will work both sides if I can do it without fear of lawsuit. I have box graded the whole road and tried to get it to some decent condition. There are a couple of long posts on the first and second pages that describe it some more. I sure hope I can work this out as I enjoy doing the road work.
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Carl
I can relate to your road situation. If the base is not
mud, at some point I realized it is easier to spend your time and money adding gravel.
This will also create ditches.
You can't make a silk purse...
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Carl,
The liability issue should not be a killer (no pun) but the subdivision should be willing to pay those cost if you are willing to do the work you are. It may cost very little to protect up front compared to the cost if somethign does happen.
As to someone elses comment on dentist...come now..are not dentist like any other professional? Some are very good and some are well...only after the money regardless of the damage they cause to the other person?
Over the years one of my office's neighbors have been two dentist. One very reasonable in cost and treatment. The other totally opposite.
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Doc, a flat blade or blower is n o problem on a propery crowned driveway or laneway.
You make one pass on each side of the crown with the cutting edge flush to the ground on the 'slope' portion. There is rarely ever a little strip of snow left on the top of the crown.
Bear in mind also, to be effective on flat(ish) land a crown doesn't need to be any more than about a 2-3% slope from the centerline out. On a 12' wide lane this only amounts to a drop of about 1.5" or 2" per side, that's really not going to cause you any grief.
Best of luck.
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