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I guess that is a no? No experience with dipping fence posts in oil?
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I suspect some people have experience at it, but are unwilling to talk about doing something ILLEGAL on an open forum.
I suspect the reg's are the same pretty much everywhere these days, EPA standard stuff, ZERO petroleum products in the ground or water, especially used stuff, lots of chemical nasties in there.
Best of luck.
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Klein, just run it past your EPA guy one of the three times next week.
Murf in the case of a high water table (18" below ground) and clay soil, wouldn't the hole fill up with water especially with pea gravel in it? My neighbor only got 20 years out of his 8x8 treated pole barn posts before he had sister them. They were in concrete too--which is also debatable if that is wise to to do.
I wonder if sprayable asphaltic coating used for waterproofing basements could be used to dip the posts. After all isn't the ends of the post that are most susceptible to absorbing water?
As far as the tops of the posts go, managing water and snow is important too. Many years ago our state parks and road commissions cut post tops at an angle to shed water---that's when they used to paint them white and black for visbility. These days some road commissions angle-cut the square treated posts used on some, but not all, guard rail systems.
I have noticed that road commissions here also slather on a tar-like substance on square posts used mainly for roadside signage.
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Murf- your right, I imagine that if somebodies grandfather when he was a boy had taught him how to dip a log in oil, and then stick it in the ground- all in efforts to keep the small ranch in proper order... well you bet that the EPA would have nothing better to do than to send that poor fellow to prison.
Earthwerks- I might need some tax help and some advice about different types of cancer treatments- since you know about everything else, I will probably come knocking on your door.
Thanks guys, you're great.
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Klien, a simple "thanks" would have sufficed.
I don't get it; you ask for information. And just because it's not what you want to hear you get all pissy. What gives?
Here, take these tweezers and yank the wild hair in your ass.
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Murf- your right, I imagine that if somebodies grandfather when he was a boy had taught him how to dip a log in oil, and then stick it in the ground- all in efforts to keep the small ranch in proper order... well you bet that the EPA would have nothing better to do than to send that poor fellow to prison.
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Klein, we work all over the US (and beyond), and routinely have inspections by the authorities, local, county, state and federal. About 3 or 4 years ago on a job in Georgia a Fed. inspector happened to be on the job site, he watched a mechanic scrub his hands with hand cleaner then rinse them off with a garden hose. The inspector asked the job foreman if that was usual practice. The foreman replied it was. The inspector then asked the owner's rep. if he new what they were doing. He said he was aware of it. The inspector then charged the mechanic, the company (not mine) he worked for and the owner with multiple violations each of the regulations and shut down the job for a full investigation. In the end it cost the owner about $250,000 in penalties (he had to pay the contractors for their lost time, etc.) and fines.
It's like speeding, lot's of people do it, but it's illegal and when you get caught it costs.
Something tells me the people behind your organization might be less than happy about being in hot water.
Jeff, up here if the water table is high (like in a bog) they use something they call a 'barrel butt planting'.
They put down a bed of ~1' deep pea stone, then a short 4' - 5' section of 6' - 8' diameter corrugated galv. culvert pipe standing on end, then stand the pole up in the center, then back-fill it with rip-rap (6" - 12" rough broken stone).
The sheer weight of all that captive stone holds the pole vertically no problem.
Best of luck.
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Murf, the land is a former aux. NIKE airstrip but there's just a high table water below.
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KC, have read and watch this discussion with interest. We have a high water level hear, many elevated septic tanks and sewer lines. Hardwood (Frank) telling how they treat the light poles there is what they do here also. DOT does not use wooden post any longer for any signage but some are used with guard rails. Those post cut at angle, will notice many rot in the center. Saw one last night at convenience store used for ash tray. 
The black fence post about 3 inches in diameter here don't last any more than about that 8 years and do rot right off at ground level. A few years ago had a good friend who worked for a sign company and he said they painted the full post EXCEPT the bottom for the water had to have a way out for it was impossible to seal the post. Sort of makes sense and that might be the thought and reason behind the pea gravel Murf mentioned. No idea. It would seem if you took a dry piece of wood that would absorb oil into it, that would help.
Best suggestion I have as you don't seem a lot of wooden fence post used even on pastures here any longer, find old wooden fence post in your area as the moisture and wood would likly be what you will also experience and ask those who put those in what type of treatment they use or used.
Wonder how freezing affects post rotting? It has to cause the wood fibers to open up some but the time of the year a post is frozen, can it rot? It would seem not. So if a post were to remain frozen for 3 months a year, would that increase the years it took to rot? Have no idea.
In Texas, don't you use loctus wood for post for it last so long?
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Kenny IMHO it's not necessarily the presence of water; it's the water or moisture combined with bacteria, fungi and insects in the soil and wood itself breaking down the wood fibers into food (everyone needs their fiber). If you think about it (or aboot as Murf "wood" say), live trees withstand frozen conditions all the time in winter with no ill effects.
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Something else I just remembered about the new light poles they set past the farm. They had either a copper plate or a coil of copper wire on the bottom end of the pole with a copper ground wire running from there up the side, I have no idea how moist soil has to be to have a good ground contact. Frank.
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