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I was surprised that the CRD mileage was so poor. I've read several sources that say the gas Liberty gets 16-17 mpg and the Jeep website says the CRD gets "up to 32% better mileage". Assuming the optimistic case that Jeep's numbers are accurate, that puts it around 21-23 mpg which seems pretty poor for a vehicle that small. The competitors gas engines do nearly that well, and the $5k CRD premium would buy a lot of gas!
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GMC is another brand I wouldn't buy, but I hadn't considered a Pacifica. We looked at the Dodge Magnum with the Hemi that can shut off four cylinders, but that's not being discounted. Thanks for the tip on the Pacifica!
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Ken, I would take those CRD reviews with a grain of salt. Many of those reviews were based on driving at 70 to 80 mph on the highway. The mileage on my Cummin drops like a simonized piano if you drive much over 60 mph and the sweet spot is about 47 mph running empty.
Here is a Canadian test that reported 27 mpg city and 35 highway. That sounds more in line with what I would think to be reasonable. With a few tweaks, I think 40 mpg would be easily within reach.
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The Jeep website claims 17 mpg in town (with no highway number). Since most of our driving is in-town that's the number I'm working with.
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Randy, the CRS is worse than you thought there buddy.
When you read a Canadian test report and they give mileage in both litres per 100 kilometres, and MPG, don't forget they are talking about Imperial gallons (equal to 4.55 litres) not US gallons (equal to 3.78 litres).
27 (Imperial gallon) MPG = 22 (US gallon) MPG
35 (Imperial gallon) MPG = 29 (US gallon) MPG
Best of luck.
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Ken:
I would recommend the Ford Explorer with 4.0 L V-6. I bought a 2004 last year for my daughter at year end and got a good price + employee discount. ( I know the dealer) She has 16,000 miles on it now without any trouble. I think the body over frame is what you want. Highway rating is 20mpg. You can adjust it for AWD to true 4X4. With the heavy discounts, that is the best buy for your money.
I'm looking at purchasing another vehicle and am looking at the Ford Escape/Mercury Mariner with 3.0L V-6. I already have my F-250 and my wife has a Lincoln. Escape/Mariner is a uni-body construction and basically FWD with the rear kicking in as AWD. It is rated as 22/23 highway. I'm looking at it for basically highway miles going up-north 100 miles each way and yet have some AWD capabilities in town, etc. for snowstorms. I think Escape/Mariner is more like a car/station wagon and does have a good incentive but not like the Explorer. Ford also has the Free style that is based on Valvo models and is a stationwagon/SUV available in AWD. It doesn't have much discount.
I've also found the ratings of the Liberty to be bad on fuel economy and the diesel doesn't seem to get it.
The Jeep Grand Cherokee has a 3.6L V-6 that is underpowered and rated for 21 mpg. I tested one last year an a wash board gravel road and it drove nice. You may want to test drive one of these.
The Chrysler Pacifica seems nice but the rear and side windows are very short. Visibility is bad.
The GMC Envoy and Chevy Trailblazer get poor mileage. I hear about 16/17 on highway.
If you wife is driving a Taurus now, just go to a Ford dealer and drive the new Ford 500 limited in AWD. It has more internal room than my wife's Lincoln Continental and the leather is so plush, you both will fall in love with it. Mileage is about 26 mpg. Not allot of discount. The Mercury version has nicer outside styling but the interior is not as plush. Ford has gone a long way in the last few years. I would recommend driving all 4 models and take it over the roads you are driving daily.
I can't comment on any import manufacturers, since they are not allowed in my household by my ruling.
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Pete, the 4.0L 4WD Explorer would be perfect. We had relatives visit from out of town and they rented a Mercury Mountaineer AWD. That was really nice but it was sickening to watch the electronic display show 13.9 mpg on the highway during a trip to the coast. Our small town has only one dealer, a Ford dealer, and Ford service would be most convenient for us. But we have had so many problems with our last three Fords I am very reluctant to risk it again.
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Murf, I think that CRS is rubbing off. ;O) VERY good call on your part but I think the milage is even worse than that. With the proper amount of coffee in me; I converted 10.5 l to 2.774 US gallons and 8 l to 2.1134 gallons and that came out to 19 & 25.5 mpg if the conversion table I used was correct. MUCH worse! I still can't believe a diesel that small in a vehicle that small gets that kind of mileage. Even the Ford Excursion with the PowerStroke which weights over double what the Liberty weighs and has over double the engine displacement gets over 20 mpg. Just doesn't make sense. I think something is not being computed right or Jeep has a huge problem with this vehicle. If these mileage numbers are in fact accurate; then the Liberty gas about the same mileage average as my Dodge Cummins! That's crazy.
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Ken:
Many of the Mountaineers have a V-8. I had a 1997 Mountaineer V-8 AWD that I traded in last year with 139,000. It got about 17/18 on the highway. If you look at the mileage rating on the stickers you will find that the constant AWD of the Mountaineer has a slightly less rating than the Explorer comparably equipped.
The water pump, belt tensioning idlers, electric seat motor and right lower ball joint went out at about 130,000 to 137,000 miles. To some, that may be allot but I don't think it was bad. I only bought tires and brakes on it once! I should have sold it at 129,000 or kept it to 170,000. One of the guys I work with has a 96 Explorer Eddie Bauer with 169,000 miles. He hasn't had a bit of trouble.
That electronic mileage gauge is instantaneous and only shows those bad numbers on hills, etc. as far as I know.
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My wife drives 23 miles of dirt road every day. She has a chev Avalanche it may be bigger than you want but she loves the thing it is two years old and never had a wrench put on it. The chev Colorado is similar just one size smaller.
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