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Mark, in your case, it sounds to me like you are doing everything you can do to minimize wear and tear. You are pretty much doing what I finally learned to do with my Suburban before I traded it in.
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If the Tundra was available with a V-8 and a manual trans, I would go get one.
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K - I grew up in the mountains of B.C. and only saw one truck with an automatic, a Hayes HDX. Equipping a truck for flat land and in hilly of mountainous terrain are two different things entirely. Freightliner trucks were built specifically because none of the flat landers could create trucks for the West. I had a friend that worked for Jacobs; 10 year ago over Jacob’s history more than 80% of their sales had been in B.C.
A truck equipped for transporting gravel or grain on the prairies can not cut it in the mountains. Some one purchased a late model Ford gravel truck from the prairies with a gas engine and brought it to Gibsons thinking he was going to make a buck. It sat for years with a for sale sign on it on the highway.
The transmission in the HDX, an off road truck, was not exactly an automatic but automatic clutch. I don't know of any road trucks with a V16 Diesel. I believe it locked up in each gear. The operator had to shift gears but with no clutch.
Maybe Randy knows more about these transmissions. I have never driven an auto large truck, only stick and only been near the HDX. I have driven large rubber tired loaders, but they HST not automatics.
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You got me Eric. Some of those monster logging trucks were powered with everything from a 290 hp Cummins to a Cat 3412 to a Detroit 16V92. Don't know much about them. The guys that were logging our property had an old Osh Kosh powered by an old 290 Cummins. It was a roving oil leak.
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Stephen...was your question on a Toyota Tundra? I have a 2004 model and did not know either of the trans you mentioned were available. A point that also affect gas mileage I don't think has been touched on is rear axle ratio. It could be the auto is mated to a higher ratio rear end. It has been done by some mfgs.
Kwschumn....in looking at a small pickup a few years ago I was told the towing range with the manual was less, as they just could not fit large enough clutch in the body of the truck.
Peters...you said some new autos lock in each gear....if that is so and you have that type of trans then that would solve the overheating issue Chief is hitting on, correct?
I fully agree with you that a vehicle equiped for my flat land (east coast) may not preform well in even the Applichians much lest the Rockies. By the same token a towing package for those areas make no sense for someone that only runs flat land or very seldom hit any mountains.
Chief...as to the difference between the HST and auto and manual.. no doubt each is different..but each does have their place and if used properly (which is where much disagreement seems to be here) works well. One of those issues is not overloading what ever the package is.
It is hard to believe that so many mfgs have a similar stand on towing with autos and they are all wrong. This being U.S. and foreign companies.
Someone mentioned not finding a pickup with manual trans at their dealership and it was told they need to find another dealership. Don't come to my part of the world if looking for the manual either in pickups either.
Now...are there some sorry auto trans out there, yep. It has been said here there are some sorry manual trans and no one has disagreed. My brother has had a lot of trouble with a certain U.S. brand of pickup with auto. They just did not hold up for his towing. Now..he thinks the light model should be able to tow the 10,000 load on a trailer. Sorry, you can over load a bulldozer also, even on flat land.
Someone said if they could get a V8 Tundra with manual they would...not sure on their packaging now but I think they offered that on their basic pickup.
May each of you find safe towing and good gas mileage.
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The base Tundra is a V6 - you can get a stick with that engine but not with the V8.
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Mr. Thompson,
These specs are on the Tacoma. Manual transmissions are only offered certain on packages so I'll copy from what's in the broucher. All specs are (city/hwy)
2.4 liter 4 cyl.
2wd:
man - 20/27
auto - 21/26
4.0 liter V6
2wd:
man - 16/21
auto - 18/22
4wd:
man - 16/20
auto - 17/21
All,
Reading from all your experiences, I stick with stick. My wifes '91, auto 4-Runner exhibits those same hunt and peck tendances that leave me saying, "Just let me do it".
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Manual trans in a half ton truck or less are unfortunately not made to tow much of anything. The five speeds are geared for highway driving. First gear is very high in my F150 and suited mainly for stoplight drag racing. With no "granny gear" it requires alot of clutch slipping to get the load started. You have to get a 3/4 ton or bigger truck to get a suitable manual transmission.
Dave
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They started that trend some years ago.
I had a 79 Ford E-150 van. It had a straight six and a 4-on-the-floor manual tranny.
The ONLY rear end you could get with that combo was a 2.73:1
1st gear topped out at 50+ mph: Not what you'd call a towing wonder and it varied between useless and dangerous on ice.
I was looking for economy and that is all I got.
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As Mark mentions, it's all about the overall gear combinations.
In my dually, an F-350 PSD, with the 6 spd. manual and a 3.73 rear end, if I take it to the governor, it comes out of 2nd heading for 3rd at 60+mph, and I still have 3 more gears to go! But I spec'd it for reasonable power for towing, while maintaining a modicum of economy.
On the other hand, we have an F-550 in the fleet now, also PSD, although the new 6.0 litre not the 7.3, and a 6 speed gear box. The difference is though, this one has a 5.38 rear end.
The difference is unreal. In first gear (a Granny Creeper) even into the governor you have to get out and look back at it to see if it's moving. But in all fairness, it will start nearly anything rolling, even at idle.
Best of luck.
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