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 09-04-2010, 15:05 Post: 173716
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Auer it would depend on the legalese of the contract I would think. And as far preexisting defect or injury, the onus (sp) would be on you since when it left the yard you are now responsible. This leads me the next point which is why I don't lend my tools---"it must have been broken BEFORE I used it". Reaaaaaaally now?






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 09-05-2010, 18:44 Post: 173748
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Thank you all for the "information/direction". It seems the best course of action as EW suggests, I'll prolly need to make a visit to the "men in blue ". But as with any beaurcractic 'shall' 'may' language it could become the circle of "ask the IRS 2 questions and get 4 versions".
Again Thank You for all your input which I have high regard for you guys as to having some very insightful, facts, views and opinions.






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 09-05-2010, 20:05 Post: 173749
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"Regular" state cops, sheriffs, and local cops that are NOT trained and certified in Motor Carrier Enforcement generally are NOT the guys to speak to. Like I said earlier, call the Northville State Police Post and ask for Motor Carrier Division, then ask for someone intimately familar--key words--with Federal Motor Vehicle statutes/regulations a.k.a. Federal Motor Vehicle Code.

A Motor Carrier Enforcement officer may not be familar with specific federal regulations. FWIW, some laws won't apply to you if you're not a commercial carrier with a GCVWR (gross combined vehicle weight rating of more than 10,001 lbs.) , but the tire thing I gotta think applies to everyone.

Keep in mind the trailer you have the tires on--its rating regardless of what the springs, etc. are rated for is soley based on the weight rating of the tires including the trailer and load. My 7" wide tires are rated at a surprisingly low 1,760 lb. While the 8" (I need to check) if I recall correctly are something like 2,800 or 3,600 lb. each.






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 09-05-2010, 20:14 Post: 173751
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Thanks EW... when I'm visiting family in school in Detroit , I'll make it a point to head over to Northville and speak to them in person. Thanks again.






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 09-07-2010, 10:16 Post: 173804
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Jeff - "Murf, then anyone hauling a used home is doing so illegally?"

Answer - If it's now a licensed vehicle, yes. Bear in mind, almost all of this non-DOT hardware I'm talking about is only found on 12+' wide units and about the only time I've seen it on an 8' wide was when that unit was a "split unit" i.e. a 8' half, open on one side, which was then conjoined with another to form a 16' wide unit.

Jeff- "my sources tell me that the 8" are taller by as much as 1.5" which I know, and wider and thereby, in part, carry a heavier rating. I was told the 7" were lower pressure 70 PSI-ish (mine are 85 PSI) and 8" are sometimes 110 (as my other worn out sets are)"

Reply - The whole point of MHT's & MH axles can be summed up in one word - "CHEAP". That's why a MH has 3 or 4 axles when 2 'regular' axles would do the job. They (and the tongue as well) were often returned to the factory for reuse after the unit had been delivered to the customer.


Jeff - "the little research I did says that in Michigan at least, there is no specific law banning the use of MH tires or axles for other purposes."

Reply - There is, but it's one of those "hip bone connects to the leg bone" kinda things. All 'vehicles' must comply to the FMVSS, a MHT doesn't, ergo it's not legal.

Jeff - "As far as DOT-approved, as the article I found pointed out, if it's used upon a highway it has to be DOT approved. Further, the MI law specifically states categories of tires that shall not be used on a highway: marked for "not for highway service" and "for non highway racing only", but nothing about MHS.

Reply - A farm tractor tire, is not DOT approved either, but it's still allowed on a 'highway' because it's not on a 'vehicle'. Likewise you could use MH axle & MHT's on a haywagon on the highway, or on a piece of "road building equipment" since it's not a 'vehicle' either. A MH being delivered is not a 'vehicle' under the law, it's a house being moved. Different kettle of fish.


Jeff - "And speaking of "DOT approved" per se, I'm not sure there is such a thing. There is a DOT number, but that is not an approval, but for tracking for safety and identification---so I was told by the Nebraska attorney general a few years ago."

Reply - Again, read the FMVSS, it lays out in excruciatingly painfull detail all sorts of seemingly trivial standards. If it doesn't meet those standards, it's not legal.

Jeff - I've never been wrong. Ok, ONCE I was mistaken. Laughing out loud

Reply - Huh, all these years and I never knew you'd been married previously. Wink yeah right


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