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What CHP told me on transporting CUT
The tie downs must exceed the weight of what is tied down. Does not matter if it is a small lawn tractor with one strap over the platform, or a 40,000 lb load of pipe with 6 rated straps going side to side.
The tie downs must be certified and weight rated.
On our big Milling machines 100,000+ lbs we have 8 points (4 each side) with 1/2 inch hi tensil chain and binders. It takes that many chains and binders to exceed the weight of the machine. Plus lighter chains over the elevators.
A CUT with 2 little 5,000 lb chains side to side and 2 binders is AOK. As long as the CUT is not more than 10,000 lbs. Plus you have to seperately tie dowm the bucket and anything else attached to the CUT.
The best source for correct information is the actual STATE Level Commercial Vehicle Enforcement Unit. They are the ones that set up DOT inspection stations on the interstate or other state highways. They are the same ones who will inspect the commercial vehicle after a serious or fatal accident. NEVER ask a local cop about Commercial Vehicle stuff they are so misinformed they are libel to tell you anything.
We have several encounters every season with Local Yokelles who spent a week in Commercial Vehicle classes. YUP you got it. I have NO RESPECT FOR THESE WANNABES. They are ok at regular traffic stops and protecting citizens but not Commercial Vehicle enforcement.
I have the UTMOST RESPECT for the State Level Commercial Vehicles guys who are professionals and know their stuff. I have never minded a truck inspection by these professionals.
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EW as Murf stated it is a federal standard. You stated the the biggest assache for trucks moving on the highways is local cops and their experience.
I'd like to agree it's local interpertation. BUT it is not. When trucks haul freight on flatbeds tied down thru various states from Texas to New York it shows the federal sdandard.
IMO the only qualified personell to inspect a secured load is the Commercial Vehicle Enforcement Unit.
Unless you pull into a weight station or lose part of a load enroute you will "mostlikely" will never get questioned. I have seen them drive by and look the load over very closely.
As I stated earlier Local Cops and many of the State Troopers basicaly do not know the correct law, they do have a basic working knowledge.
We had a truck with a level 1 inspection receive a Commercial Vehicle award sticker on truck and trailer and the same day a town clown stopped the truck demanded he follow the TC to their local inspection and put the truck out of service for brakes. State Troopers ended up involved, the Commercial Vehicle Unit also had to come and inspect the truck and reteach the town clown how to correctly measure brake adjustment. No brakes out of adjustment.
It is the same with load securing. Our company brings in the NY State Commercial Vehicle Unit along with road Troopers every couple of years for our safety/driver training. They cover securing Loads, Hazmat, Hours of service, inspections, and now the road watch program.
As these boys state 95% of your inspection is your attitude.
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tetloader you make excellent points and I agree with the what if. I think you will be plenty safe and comfortable with the extra chains and binders. There is nothing wrong with that.
Kinda like wearing two condoms. You can never be too safe with some of the equipment out there.
However when I buy a chain and binder that come with certifications to their safe working loads and I pay a preminum dollar for the chains and binders I expect them to to the job. Typicall I stop after 20-30 miles recheck then check at each regular stop.
The bottom line with this thread I think is: Is the source of info knowledgable about the topic. Just because they have a badge does not make them a reliable source of info.
Where I work we learn new stuff every day, we check it to verify it. The State DOT's and the Feds propose new standards every day it seems. Proposed and law are two different things.
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EW I am not throwing a rock at you here. But your kind of rig and these U-haul's is exactly where the DOTs are headed. They are also headed for Mom & Pop with their 1/2 ton pick up and great big 5th wheel campers or horse trailers.
I just went out to NW corner of MN, crew cab dually diesel ford with a 5th wheel 26 ft trailer, lenght of deck. Light weight 14000 lbs.
(I do not have the exact figures here, so I may miss the correct number, I spent over a hour on the scale checking empty axles and loaded axles before I left).
The steer axle rated at 5700, drive axle at 8600 gross of truck 13000. The trailer rated at 20000, 2 axles 8 tires.
That means IF I CAN GET THE WEIGHTS RIGHT I COULD CARRY 18,000 lbs. I only needed to load 9000 lbs between the two parts I picked up.
These weights are as much a small local tractor trailer.
I did not run a log book and was prepared for the mandatory 8 hour layover if necessary. I did not intend to run a legal day driving. Even if empty I was well over the weights required to have to stop at weight stations and LUCKLY they were all closed. I would have spent lots of time if I had been stopped and had to show documents. I made sure I had, I hope, enough bail money.
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We are getting there. A couple of days ago a NYS Trooper, Commercial Vehicle Unit, aka: Creeper Cop, grabbed a little Ranger pick up with plywood sides loaded waaaayyy above the cab with scrap steel, matteress springs, water heaters etc. The rear bumper was less than 12" from the road.
The P/U sat in a parking area for 3 days while the owner found someone to help him reduce the weight.
Another example of the Troopers trying to make our roads safer.
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