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 12-17-2003, 14:48 Post: 71489
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Hi Murf,

My vote would be towards Direct TV based on content, sport and HDTV packages. You guys in Canada had a great run regarding the legality of Direct Tv and the means to receive its signal. Thats industry has come to a screaching hault because of recent Canadian legislation, the FBI raids, RNCP, and DTV civil suits...Oh well all good things (especially realy good things) come to an end sooner or later!!

If someone needed to choose between DTV or Dish, advantage
would be DTV at this time. The sport packages (NFL pkg which is in HD) and the standard HD content edges out Dish.
The Porn options are fantastic as well ( there is more to life than tractors!)
However Dish is not a bad option at all. They have been adding content that they are very close in offerings. There is a difference is video compression, but the average home owner would never tell the difference...
Just my .02 cents on a subject i know way too much about Smile

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 12-17-2003, 14:54 Post: 71490
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Are "Porn options" sort of like implements? (Life is ALL about tractors!!) Laughing out loud!!






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 12-17-2003, 15:04 Post: 71494
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Duc, I'm not sure what sceeching you heard down there, but it sure wasn't the 'industry', at least not up here, it just isn't as public as it used to be.

The lawsuits back-fired BIG TIME so thats a non-starter.

You guys still have 'free' options too, it's just that you can't 'experiment' with an American system, it has to be a Canuck receiver.....

As for the other 'options' I just had angioplasty, I think I better take it easy for a while, besides if I want to watch bouncing plastic parts I can take my 'Bota for a drive, Laughing out loud.

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 12-17-2003, 16:09 Post: 71507
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DTV cant be offered legally in Canada, well you cant legitimately subcribe to it is the better way of stating that. Is it called Bell that is Canadian? Becareful with your laws because Canada has revised them specifically to
include DTV and the signals being decoded
(Illegally)...what was once open and free and become underground and dangerous.
Canadians face civil litigation just as easy as us Americans, along with enforcement from RMCP (spelling?)
enforcement techniques...you just dont see the shop's closing, the distribution locations and dealers being raided
but its happening all over Canada...oh dont think for a second the lawsuits arent working, they are BIG TIME...

Word of advice be self sufficient in that area....

Other than that,
I havent figured a way to ride my tractor and receive my Porn yet, my implement would get in the way, but i working on it...Smile


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 12-17-2003, 17:32 Post: 71515
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I had Dish for almost 4 years and had no problems what so ever, Until----- We went to move, The house we were purchasing had a Direct TV system on it. I liked the programming on Dish ( optoins that Direct does not have ( RFD-TV. Classic tractor shows and FFA ( I haven't seen one tractor on any Direct TV channels ;-( , Any way back to my problem. I called them about their moving service to hook me up and I wanted to add a receiver. They wanted big bucks. I had never missed a bill and never had a problem and yet they would not upgrade me for free, even though they were giving new customers great deals on multiple receivers. Once your a customer you can't get those deals. So I called Direct and they hooked me up. When I went to cancel my dish networks, all of the sudden they wanted to help me out and give me all these great deals and a free additional receiver. GO Figure. Although if it were not for the fact that I would have to move the dish and rewire the feed to my house, I would switch back to dish. I miss my rfd-TV






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 12-18-2003, 09:04 Post: 71576
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Duc, first of all you are correct that you cannot subscribe to DTV from Canada.

Your comment about Canadian laws is, with all due respect, completely wrong, period. There are revisions COMING, but nothing has been done yet. In fact the revisions are going to be a real problem for our neighbours to the south.

Basically what happened was DTV lost the Canadian court cases on every count except ONE, the high courts upheld a single paragraph of a law which dates back to before WWII which says it is not legal to 'decode and encoded signal'. The problem is, that means listeneing to someone on a digital cell phone is illegal, and since the Government has issued licenses to millions of Canadians to do just that the law is fatally flawed and the court instructed the Gov. to fix it.

I have been self-sufficient since day one anyway, it is not complicated technology.

As for you guys down there, the two Canadian systems are wide open to you and in Florida in particular there is such a blatant open market it's laughable. I even know of many Americans who recieve "test" files for DTV in the US and do there own card updates, it's about as complicated as checking your email nowadays.

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 12-18-2003, 11:29 Post: 71590
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Dish is funny about the cheap systems and upgrades.

When I got a cable modem, the cable company gave me about $400 in rebates when I turned in my Dish box. When I moved to an area without cable, I went back to Dish and wanted a new system. When they checked my SSN, it came back as a previous user. They wanted hundreds of dollars for the systems. Solution?

We registered my wife as the subscriber. Different SSN; new recording receiver, new second room receiver, new dish, kept my old dish for a cabin when I need it. So, I can even take the second box with me to the cabin. The cost of the equipment was all covered by programming rebates, so it was free.






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 12-18-2003, 13:58 Post: 71597
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wbowhunt: I replaced cable with DirectTV about 3 months ago - I've got RFD-TV on channel 379.






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 12-18-2003, 14:02 Post: 71598
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Murf I guess I gotta get smarter on the new systems. I still have my C-band and had to get a new receiver for it recently. I still like the c-band it has more than paid for its self in savings over the digital programing.

I like the c-band stuff but do miss the Canada feeds especially when the olympics are on.

Apparently you are up to speed on which systems get the best bang for the bucks?






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 12-18-2003, 14:31 Post: 71599
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Actually harvey if you have NEW C-band receiver you also have a DTV receiver, you just don't know it.

Almost all of the "C-band" receivers made in the last few years are also K & Ku compatible, which means with an old PC hooked up and a little keyboard voodoo and some software you have a DTV system too .....(;-p)

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