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 10-14-2005, 11:34 Post: 117881
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The American lumber industry calls it "subsidy".

Canadians call it "job creation".

The whole thing stems over the sale of standing timber.

In Canada huge tracts of land are publicly owned. These lands are actively logged and re-planted. This creates jobs that would otherwise not exist.

The problem is, the timber is sold by the Government, to Canadians only, and for somewhere between 25 - 50% of what an "open market auction" of that lumber would bring if it was private timber located and sold in the United States.

So, like with most things, if someone else can sell it for considerably less, then it must be tariffed to "level the playing field".

Problem is, who's to say what the US Government does is right, and the Canadians are wrong???

It applies to lots of things, not just lumber, the American beef industry uses much the same arguement to say that Canadian Beef is unfairly subsidized, even though many US farmers graze their cattle on BLM land for almost nothing.

It's strange however that nobody cries foul about the electricity, natural gas, oil or water that finds it's way south of the border. Hmmmmmmmm....... ;->

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 10-19-2005, 08:59 Post: 118155
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"...diesel is climbing and has passed $3.15 a gallon. I'll have to park my diesel pickup soon."

Wanna trade? Ours is DOWN to just under $4.75 a gallon now.

Peters, Ken, another forum I participate in a bit is Forestry related. They were talking about exactly this the other day. I think the 19 billion BF is a conservative number. We flew over a very vast area with not a single tree remaining vertical. They say there is some 5 million acres of timber destroyed. It would have had a market value of $5 billion had it been harvested.

To put those numbers in perspective a little, that would be enough wood to produce 800,000 single family homes AND 25 million tons of paper and paperboard.

However, in the case of the hurricanes they are expiditing efforts to reclaim as much of the wood as possible. They are ven recruiting owners of small portable sawmills to come in and saw on-site for the rebuilding effort.

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 10-19-2005, 11:00 Post: 118159
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ICF is a good system, unfortunately the shipping and other logistics problems of using it is often insurmountable, especially in remote or disaster-stricken areas.

I mis-typed, the figures I quoted were meant to reflect what they say COULD be salvaged out of what the storms brought down.

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 10-20-2005, 08:30 Post: 118198
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Peters, we watched a contractor using the ICF system to build a place just down the beach from us in the Bahamas.

Container after container arrived, as you described it, importing Canadian air, trapped in foam.

The poor fellow was told by the Government officials that our house was also a 'formed concrete' house, when he came to see he asked how many containers our place took to build. When I told him "one" I thought was going to fall over.

When I further told him that that one container also held all the appliances, plumbing fixtures and windows, he was in disbelief, I had to drag out the pictures to show him.

But that is the difference between a product that "nests" compared to shipping air.

I know the people in Cobourg, they are good folks, but you are right, innovation is not their strong suit.

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 10-21-2005, 08:08 Post: 118227
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Peters, I already have such a thing, but it doesn't take up any more room than a small suitcase, never mind even a single container.

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Ahh, see there's the problem, you're not thinking 'outside the blocks', Laughing out loud.

Why re-invent the wheel?

Foam is readily available oll over the world already. Why not merely have a small hotwire cutting sytem and a small hot insertion tool for the plastic spacer then use locally sourced foam?

Then all you have to ship is a small box of plastic spacers and the know-how. ;->

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