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 08-11-2008, 11:04 Post: 156008
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Very glad indeed to hear everyone was alright.

A perfect example of why almost every trailer I own has a pintle hook / lunette ring type hitch on it.

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 08-13-2008, 09:03 Post: 156064
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A defective hitch or any other part is operator/owners responsibility. Period.

Being afraid of a hitch because of an isolated event is sort of like being afraid of bald tires, replace them.

Most pintle hitches on larger trucks these days are self closing, you can't leave them open. On our big trucks and the highway tractor the pintle hook opens and closes by air and there is a warning light and buzzer in the cab if it is in the open position.

Cutter, surge or electric brakes have no bearing on the type of coupler, I have several trailers that have surge brakes on a lunette ring. In fact my triaxle boat trailer I pulled the Fountain around on was equipped with that very setup.

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 08-14-2008, 09:27 Post: 156094
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Cutter, it was as smooth as a ball hitch, no motion at all.

A properly sized and mated pair of lunette ring and pintle hitch will not have any motion since they are both supposed to be rounded on the contact surfaces, the lunette ring is round stock, and the pintle should have a matching rounded bottom of the hook.

Mind you my truck as loaded heading out (see my pic. # 5, except without the jet boat) wasn't likely to be anything but smooth!! Laughing out loud

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 08-18-2008, 09:10 Post: 156156
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Cutter, I take it from your comments that the coupler portion, the part the ball slips into, is an integral part that goes back into the surge brake actuator and is a single monolithic unit?

If that's the case, depending on the make, Atwood, Demco or others, you may be able to buy a replacement coupler, other wise you just have to buy a replacement actuator (the surge brake coupler) itself.

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 03-16-2009, 09:48 Post: 161110
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Who in their right mind would be pulling a home built tag along trailer at 75 MPH?



I guess the inference in that is that "home-built" equals "junk", or at least "poor quality & unsafe".

I have several "home-built" trailers, I wouldn't hesitate to pull them thousands of miles at 75mph, in fact I have. One of them has been the 3,000 miles (round trip) to Florida once a year for the 15 years since it was made. It also goes another ~10-15k miles a year around here. It's probably the nicest riding trailer I've ever had the pleasure of pulling in my life.

I've also seen plenty of "factory built" trailers I wouldn't tow to the dump for it's last trip.

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 03-17-2009, 12:01 Post: 161152
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I finally solved the problem by going to a water tank half the size.........



I don't recall anything about this, but wouldn't have brakes on the trailer have been the relatively easy solution?

Hydraulic surge brakes would work, but IMHO electrics would have been a more workable solution. Surge brakes aren't very effective when the trailer is at an angle to the tow vehicle.

We use electric brakes quite successfully behind tractors to prevent just such a problem.

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 03-17-2009, 14:43 Post: 161170
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Hey Murf.... brakes? Maybe, maybe not. I drive around in low range at just about the same speed whether up-hill or down. Not sure how the brakes would "know" when to activate as I use the HST for stopping, not the tractor brakes.



No Mark, you're think of an inertial type brake controller, probably like what you would have in your truck. A pendulum reacts your vehicle stopping and applies the brakes.

We use a mechanical version called a 'time delay' type. The unit reacts to 12 volts on the trigger wire (brake light circuit) and after a preset delay period, applies a preset amount of braking power to the brakes. Both delay and amount of power are easily set on the unit. We mount them under the hood in a water-proof box.

The actuation is is caused by (depending on our application) either by a micro-switch on the brake linkage, or a push button, or both.

The other option would be to move the load a long way forward on the trailer, shifting a lot more of the weight onto the tractors rear end.

Maybe a combination of both?

Your other option is to skip the trailer altogether and use a saddle tank setup like those used on bigger Ag. units. You put a 50 or 100 gallon tank alongside the tractor on an underslung frame. If you carry the weight it adds traction, not diminishes it.

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 03-18-2009, 10:39 Post: 161206
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Yup Harvey and that's why our roads are so torn up.



Nope, not even close Jeff.

They're torn up because successive Governments have taken the money collected for roads and squandered it on everything but that!

For example, in Michigan the State Road Tax is $0.19 / gallon for gas, and $0.15 / gallon on diesel. That brought in just shy of a BILLION ($897 million) dollars in 2006. On top of that, the Feds hand over 92% of the Federal money collected in the state. The Fed tax rate is almost the same, so another $900 million there.

On top of that, they levy a 6% sales tax. Considering the above two the sales tax should then be around $300 million.

Even if we say that the plate and transfer fees go somewhere else, the state collected about $2.1 BILLION dollars.

Problem is in that same year, they only spent about half that much on the roads.

I suspect if they spent the money being collected for roads, ON THE ROADS, they wouldn't be so bad.

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 03-18-2009, 11:45 Post: 161211
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Road taxes are amongst the tip of the iceberg of tax ripoffs around here.

Of the property taxes I pay here on my home 25% of that goes to the Board of Education, in my case that amounts to about $4,000/year.

According to published figures, in Ontario anyone who gets paid from tax dollars and makes over $100k/year has their names & salaries published annually, the director of education made $249,126.61, plus $4,602.01 in benefits last year. That does not include paid travel or other 'benefits' not paid directly, such as a car or other 'perks'.

I also pay another ~$6,000 a year to other boards of education where I also own land (excluding the farm). In those cases, since the lands are not a 'principle residence' I could not even enroll a child in those schools if I wanted to.

$10,000/year, this isn't bad for a guy with no children, huh? So Sad

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 03-18-2009, 14:05 Post: 161218
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Murf what I was getting to was due to the extremely heavy trucks--foreign or domestic--they are tearing up the roads.



I think you missed my point though Jeff, plate fees, including the PRP remittances and fuel taxes paid by those very Cannuckistanian trucks are what created the $1 bilion/year surplus that they are NOT using to fix and maintain the roads. Instead they got used to using it for something else, now the roads are shot and there's no money to fix them.

Robbing Peter to pay Paul, except now Peter is broke, and Paul is leaving because they can't afford to pay him anymore.

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 03-18-2009, 17:03 Post: 161235
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PRP plates are just as the name implies "Pro Rated Plates", the fees are split up based on where the truck runs and divided out based on mileage.

In simple terms, if an Ontario PRP plated truck does 50% of it's mileage in Ontario, and 50% in Michigan, the license fees get split that way too.

Fuel taxes work the same way too, the days of big tanks and buying all your fuel in 'cheap' states are gone too. That's why the fuel tax stickers are required, to show that you are in compliance.

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 03-19-2009, 09:28 Post: 161249
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I don't have problem understanding some road beds can not support loads that are running on them today. But if that is true who is responible for that? If the government approves a certain limit and it is their roads, are they not suppose to know what they are capable of and not?



The problem isn't really the load Kenny, as the weight of the truck goes up, so to must the number of axles carrying it. The regs limit the amount of weight that each axle can transmit to the road (carry).

The theory is that it shouldn't matter if you have 10 trucks with 4 axles each carrying 60,000 pounds, or 5 trucks with 8 axles each carrying 120,000 pounds. Each axle is still just carrying 15,000 pounds, and there are still only 40 axles passing over the road.

The problem is when the Government takes the extra money as a windfall and spends it somewhere else instead of banking it for the repair or replacement of the road it was ear-marked for.

Governments the world over do this, but I also see individuals doing too. Cars and trucks wear out, but nobody accrues for it. I see it constantly in the aircraft world, people think that if they fly for 5 hours and it takes 60 gallons of gas to do that, that's the cost. But then they get to the point where the engine is in need of a rebuild, they are facing a $15,000 bill, and don't have the money because they were working on the basis that the aircraft cost the equivalent of 12gal./hour times the price of fuel, instead of adding the $15/hour (or whatever amount) the engine would cost to overhaul.

Good to see you back around Steve.

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 03-19-2009, 12:47 Post: 161255
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Steve, hey, what can I say, I couldn't tell you what I had for dinner last night, but I recall your name. Old age?

Jeff, no "accruing" was the right word. From my dictionary "to accumulate or be added periodically transitive verb: to accumulate or have due after a period of time ".

I think the relaxing after a disaster is more likely to do with not wanting to upset the Feds (FEMA) by getting in the way of relief aid. I have a buddy who normally flys for charities in Africa, getting doctors and relief in & out of remote areas. He happened to be in the US on leave when Katrina hit. He flew waaaaaay more more hours than he would normally be allowed to because the Feds had suspended the rules in the days afterward till things normalized.

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 03-20-2009, 09:20 Post: 161268
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Murf, I want to know how you get away with "only" 25% of your property taxes going to the schools.I'm in Massachusetts, 70% of my property tax goes to the schools.(I am without kids)



Move to Ontario? Smile



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 04-28-2009, 12:30 Post: 162371
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Glad I put a smile on yer face. This daaang Yankee IS good for something after all (though I knew it all along) Laughing out loud.



Yup, count that as a two fer' Jeff.

You're the only guy I can think of that thinks of snow blowers on the first really hot day of the season! Laughing out loud

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 05-13-2009, 11:33 Post: 162723
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That is good enough excuse to be a LLC and be sue proof by keeping the company nearly broke then have a very good insurance pol that will cover a reasonable claim and let the rest go to H---!!



That doesn't work if they can find even a shred of negligence (or what they think is anyway) they can go around the LLC in a heart beat, especially if the 'company' is one person.

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