discussion   |   photos   |   email   |   myProfile   |   home          Login Now | Sign Up


Forum Index


New As Posted | Active Subjects



Click to Post a New Message!

Discussion Boards > Active Subjects > Messages as Posted > Alternate Electric Energy Forum

Page 1 | 2 | 3 | [ 4 ] | 5 |      << Prev | Next >>
 
 09-19-2007, 11:47 Post: 145867
kthompson



View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: South Carolina
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 5139

4
Filter by User
 Windmills for electricity

I like the line about the line about how to help the poor.

It bugs me that some think that big is always evil. Some small business are very evil as are some very big ones but the really bigs one are not as often all evil as some want them to be, even the worst ones seldom are ALL EVIL. kt






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 09-19-2007, 14:04 Post: 145879
pelletfarmer

TP Contributor

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Central Michigan
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 14

6
Filter by User
 Windmills for electricity

"Some small business are very evil as are some very big ones but the really bigs one are not as often all evil as some want them to be,"

Great point. It's all about individuals. Good individuals make good organizations; lousy ones make lousy ones. The big secret is that almost everyone is good, while we're taught to believe that almost everyone is lousy.

The problem arises when decade after decade, the good get punished while the lousy get rewarded. Then there becomes a strong dis-value in being good. Subsidize crackheads and you'll have more of them. Punish success and you'll have less of it. Glorify poverty and you'll have more of it. And on and on...this ain't rocket science.


"even the worst ones seldom are ALL EVIL. kt"

Another good point. After all, they had to bring some value to some rational people, right?. To me, that's the opposite of evil in a social context.

But villify rationality and demonize personal values, and soon you get odd combinations of sensible producers and worthless scumbags. Eventually, the scumbags win out. This is the nature of a mixed economy like ours, and why we're currently in a heap of trouble. jk






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 09-19-2007, 15:05 Post: 145883
kthompson



View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: South Carolina
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 5139

4
Filter by User
 Windmills for electricity

pelletfarmer, what kind of crop is "pellets"? Don't know much about raising rabbits but them and goats have pellets. kt






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 09-19-2007, 15:33 Post: 145885
yooperpete



View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Northern Michigan
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 1413

4
Filter by User
 Windmills for electricity

I assumed woodpellets. My business is located in the Saginaw area and my daughter graduated from Central Michigan University in Mt. Pleasant. I assume pelletfarmer is located close by. So, Howdy neighbor.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 09-19-2007, 16:10 Post: 145886
pelletfarmer

TP Contributor

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Central Michigan
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 14

6
Filter by User
 Windmills for electricity

Hey neighbor, though your handle threw me off. You're a flatlander, not a yooper!

You're both close. I've been interested in wood pellets and furnace corn since moving near West Branch a couple years ago. The only crop on my land so far, are the trees out back, hence the name. I just gotta figure out how to harvest 'em!

OTOH we've got more than a bit of manure and bedding that we're composting, so kt isn't far off either. I just didn't think "manurefarmer" would play real well, though probably some here think it'd be about right. jk (Jim Klein)


Edited by Murf to make 'PG' rated. Wink yeah right






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 09-19-2007, 16:39 Post: 145888
Murf



View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Toronto Area, Ontario, Canada
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 7054

5
Filter by User
 Windmills for electricity

We looked at doing pellets too, there's some new (cheaper) small scale equipment out there to turn sawdust into pellets.

Problem is still labour, on a small scale the labour costs make the pellets more expensive to produce than you can buy them from the 'big boys' for.

There's a guy near me here who has a novel slant on things though, he made a set of forms himself that produce blocks of compressed sawdust about the size of a bar of soap. He burns these blocks in a wood-burning furnace. Still, if you factor in his time to produce the equipment, and the blocks themselves, he's probably really only reducing his cost of disposing of the sawdust itself.

A good multi-fuel stove will burn wood chips or sawdust directly, so why bother even trying to make pellets for your own use?

Best of luck.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 09-19-2007, 17:00 Post: 145889
mobilus



View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Clay County, TX
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 171

2
Filter by User
 Windmills for electricity

Murf,

I sometimes gather up sawdust and bark droppings from the cutting area and put it in paper grocery sacks. Simply stuff one in the firebox and light it...no mess. It's a good way to get rid of it and start fires too.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 09-19-2007, 17:01 Post: 145890
pelletfarmer

TP Contributor

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Central Michigan
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 14

6
Filter by User
 Windmills for electricity

All true points, Murf. That's why I'm on the computer instead of selling pellets!

Still, there's a market for pellets, and corn as pellet fuel ain't quite dead yet. And then, it turns out that softwood pellets for bedding is pretty convenient, far more than shavings at similar cost. There are a lot of horse owners who don't care too much about cost anyway; convenience is a high value to them.

Meanwhile I've got trees that are going down by the day because nobody's building anything, while I gotta buy heat pellets that are going up by the day because nobody's building anything. Story of my life. jk






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 09-19-2007, 17:09 Post: 145891
kthompson



View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: South Carolina
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 5139

4
Filter by User
 Windmills for electricity

Guess it still relates to wind mills along the thought of alternate fuels but, would not blowing saw dust into a fire create a very hot heat? Not sure how hard or costly that would be compared to making sawdust into blocks or pellets. kt






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
 09-20-2007, 09:23 Post: 145918
Murf



View my Photos

View my Photos  Pics
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Toronto Area, Ontario, Canada
TractorPoint Premium Member -- 5 Tractors = Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 7054

5
Filter by User
 Windmills for electricity

Kenneth, that's precisely how most 'modern' burners work, though in fact very few of them have a blower, they use the heat of the air rising up the chimney to create enough vacuum to make a real draft and then direct it straight into the base of the fire.

Jim, just get a good multi-fuel stove, like the Sedore, and just burn the wood as chips. My neighbour cuts a tree down in the morning, chips it, and burns it that night, no problem.

Likewise, any decent multi-fuel stove will burn corn, even the cobs!!

Best of luck.






Reply to PostReply | Quote Post Reply to PostQuote Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo




Bookmarks: Digg It | Del.icio.us |
Reply | Pop Up Window Reply | Add PhotoAdd Photo


Page 1 | 2 | 3 | [ 4 ] | 5 |      << Prev | Next >>

Discussion Boards > Active Subjects > Messages as Posted > Alternate Electric Energy Forum

Thread 145168 Filter by Poster:
Art White 1 | candoarms 5 | cutter 3 | earthwrks 1 | hardwood 7 | Hettric 1 | ihookem 1 | kleinchris 3 | kthompson 4 | kwschumm 3 | Lwayne 1 | mobilus 2 | Murf 5 | pelletfarmer 6 | SG8NUC 1 | yooperpete 4 |

 (advanced search)

Picture of the Day
Coachlarry

John Deere Gator - 1200A Bunker Rake Shudder under load
1200A Bunker Rake Shudder under load


Unanswered Questions

Gas Generator Weather Protecti
Horse Injured Polyrope Electri
Do electric fences keep out de
Any Peruvian Paso Owners Out T
gas powered post driver
My new born foal is really sic
Trailer Axle
dump trailer blueprints


Active Subjects

Gas Generator Weather Protecti
Went to see Dennis Reis this w
Signs to look for prior to lab
leg injury
Broodmare has welts all over h
Some Christmas Humor For Horse
poles in the ground vs. concre
ever thought about moving?


Hot Topics

new app owner
Some Christmas Humor For Horse
Any Peruvian Paso Owners Out T
Heating a Garage
Gas Generator Weather Protecti
Do electric fences keep out de
gas powered post driver
Trailer Axle


Featured Suppliers

Mountain Creek Labradoodles
      MountainCreekLabradoodles.com





New Forums on Gun Sport Shooting and Hunting -- BarrelPoint.com  New Forums on Horses ManePoint.com
Talk Horses at ManePoint
Hunting + Gun Sports at BarrelPoint



Most Viewed

+ Windmills for electricity
+ Geothermal heating cooling
+ Solar battery chargers for equipment
+ The Green Fad
+ Air condition is consuming more energy
+ Foundation and PEX instalation

Most Discussion

+ Windmills for electricity
+ Solar battery chargers for equ
+ Geothermal heating cooling
+ The Green Fad
+ Air condition is consuming mor
+ Foundation and PEX instalation

Newest Topics

+ Foundation and PEX instalation
+ Air condition is consuming more energy
+ Solar battery chargers for equipment
+ The Green Fad
+ Windmills for electricity
+ Geothermal heating cooling
















Turbochargers for Tractors and Industrial Machines
Cab Glass for Tractors and Industrial Machines

Alternators for Tractors and Industrial Machines
Radiators for Tractors and Industrial Machines

Driveline Components for Tractors and Industrial Machines
Starter Motors for Tractors and Industrial Machines