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"The engine is superb, no question, but it was also a LOT noisier and put far more vibration into the vehicle than did Ford or GM."
Not true for the last 3 years. It is all computer controlled now and the noise level is almost the same as the 5.7L Hemi, very quiet.
"It's a shame the rest of the truck wasn't up to the same level of quality as the motor was."
Care to be more specific about what you are referring to?
DOge has a very High Quality truck and if you want to compare itme for item, you will be Amazed how Dodge will out shine the competitors. I am listening for some examples and then do tell me who does it better and why?
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Right off the bat, the disclaimer, I have not been in, or driven a diesel-powered Dodge newer than a 2004, so I will not pass judgement, from a personal perspective, on anything newer than that.
Having said that, I can hear a Dodge sitting at the lights next to me (with the windows rolled up) over the sound of my own truck, I cannot hear a gas truck unless it has aftermarket exhaust, etc., but then, I can't tell the vintage of the truck from that either.
The one I did both ride in, and drive, had a considerably noisier interior than mine, in fact a lot of the noise seeemed to be from things like wind (door & window seals?) and the handling was just, well, more 'truck-like' than I am used to, I mentioned it to the owner, who later that day asked for a ride in mine, we di, and even he agreed, the Ford was a nicer ride and quieter.
I have spoken to many Dodge owners, including a friend of mine who bought one out of guilt after doing a 6 figure repair job on a Dodge dealership after a fire they had in the service dept., he finally got tired of the little problems, etc., and traded it for another GM with over a year left on the lease.
I hear all the same complaints from Dodge owners, including one who works for me, little things, knobs break, everything is loose and vibrates after a few years, the fit & finsih is not there, etc....
Even the general public seems to agree, Ford still sells more F-series trucks, and by a good margin, than Dodge and GM does combined.
The best proof I can come up with is resale value, according to the best yardstick out there, what someone is willing to pay, Dodge is still 3rd in a 3 horse race.
Now, like I said, I have NOT been in a new Dodge, undoubtedly Daimler will have been cracking the whip, the jury is still out on how loud the 'crack' has been, sales volumes don't seem to bear it out yet. Modest increase, but nothing to write home about, yet.....
Best of luck.
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You know what Murf, I hear the same stuff day after day after day about Ford and Chevy.
Dodge does NOT or has NOT made a truck that gives you the BEST Ride, they build a Truck to WORK and I have hauled loades from Vermont to Little Rock Ark and back many many times and with a LOAD, the Dodge rides better than the sagging Chevy or the moaning Ford.
Dodge Diesels have been quiet since 2004, but the INLINE design was a factor with the noise, you were able to hear both sides of the cyclinder with no metal in between as in the V-8.
Here are some psecs from the 2000 Cummins, Ford and Chevy
5.9L I-6 245 HP at 2700 rpm 505 lb ft at 1600 rpm
7.3L V-8 235 HP at 2600 rpm 500 lb ft at 1800 rpm
6.5L V-8 195 HP at 1800 rpm 430 lb ft at 1800 rpm
Now I have heard nothing but Problems with Ford's 6.0L diesel and rumor has it, it may be discontinued.
Now for the truck, as of 2004 Dodge has a Hydro-formed BOX rail frame and 7 cross members, the torque went up to 610 and the rpms are the same. The ONLY complaint I am aware of is trying to change wheels on the front, usually because of such a CLOSE TOLERANCE, they are pried off with damage to the bearings. Note I said CLOSE TOLERANCE, that means NO SLOP.
Sure a lot of people buy for comfort and power this and power that, but around here is Farm Country, Snow, Mountains, MUD, ruts, etc and people buy 2500 and 3500s to haul Cattle, Horses, Hay and to do Farm work.
Another note, you might want to check out is, YOU do NOT void your warranty by adding a PLOW. hmmm now which manufacturer does? SO who is making the work truck and who is making a whimpy truck? You want to work a truck and NOT hurt it, buy a Dodge, if you are interested in Dump Runs and soft loads, buy a Ford or a Chevy. You want a cardboard hauler go Toyota.
I see the trucks when they come in. Fords love to rust around the wheel wells and lower cab corners, Dodge has bottom of the doors and Chevy, well just about anywhere.
Next time you go by a Used Truck lot, stop and look at the mileage and then look at the truck. I would love to walk you around a Dodge truck and show you the things that most buyers know nothing about. The stuff that makes the Truck a TRUCK.
Every manufacturer has problems, Dodge has far less and we have more and more Chevy and Ford owners coming to us right now because of our MDS Hemi and the ALL New HIGH Output Turbo Diesel.
Dodge maybe 3rd, but the gap is closing and if you look at the last batch of recalls it has been Chevy and Ford and if you look at the Companies losing money, it ain't Dodge. I guess our competition finally found out what there products were worth. You want a NICE Ride buy a 300C you want to WORK buy a Dodge.
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Take a good close look at the F-150 sales for this year. Ford is having problems as well as Chevy. They have been trying to onlyu live off of their PAST reputations and not much else. Look at Dodge and its figures and you will see Dodge closing the gaps Big Time and we are in the Black and NOT in the RED.
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WW, when you say "we are closing the gap" you imply you work for Dodge or Chrysler. What do you do?
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"WW, when you say "we are closing the gap" you imply you work for Dodge or Chrysler. What do you do?"
I don't see where I wrote "we are closing the gap"
I sell Dodge, Chrysler and Jeep New and used anything.
When I was on Active Duty Marines, I worked in the Bomb Dump, we had two Dodge Power Wagons, a 67 and a 68, we had 2 Fords and 2 Internationals. 16 Young Marines had the Fords and Internationals ALWAYS in Motor "T" getting fixed or repaired of some sort, the Dodges NEVER failed and we couldn't kill them. I have been a Dodge man ever since. I have an 89 with well over 300,000 miles on it and it is still running and still looking good.
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Sorry I misquoted you WW, you said *Dodge* was closing the gap and we are in the black. Those comments still imply you are affiliated with Dodge, which you are. Knowing where you're coming from helps put your comments in context. Thanks for the followup.
Myself, if I had to buy a big truck it would probably be a Cummins Dodge since I've had terrible luck with GM and Ford. But I'm looking for a good small truck, preferably with a diesel, and nobody makes such an animal. And the "small" trucks are becoming huge which hurts mileage. Was going to buy a Toyota Tacoma but they've grown too large for my needs in the last few years and mileage has been hurt so I may hold off on that purchase.
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Cardboard Hauler?
I now have over 40k on my Toyota "cardboard hauler".
By the time my brother-in-law had that much mileage on his Dodge "real work truck" he was on his third transmission.
I still have the factory original.
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Everyone has transmission problems if having an allowable percentage is a problem. I had a GMC, years ago and I bet I had at least 5 trannies in it. I had a Ford Econo 100 and put in three C-4s and was trying to convert a C-6 to fit when the van blew up. There are stories like your brother-in-law for every manufacturer. One story does NOT give the whol picture. The problem with the Dodge trannies was with the 360 Gas in 1997. Any problem after that is poor workmanship at the dealer or isolated from the manufacturer.
Cardboard hauler? Yup! that is what I said. What is meant by that is very simply, put a 5th wheel in a Toyota or put in a Goose neck. Not likely right? not really meant to be the Super Work truck. that is whta is meant by cardboard hauler, meant for light to medium truck work and not for prolong periods of time. Prolong periods of time means day in and day out, not a long trip to opposite coast.
Chevy, Ford and Dodge are the leaders in Work trucks and if you want the Most rugged and the geniune 4wd then look at the Power Wagon. Dodge will soon be releasing a 4500 and a 5500 series. C+C will be back in Aug. I know dozens who haul Cattle trailers and run from farm to auction site, day after day after day.
KW
Diesel is NOT going to give you any fuel savings. Cost of Diesel fuel is rising and because of the so many states hitting the manfacturers with Emission restrictions, economy has plummeted. Cumins use to deliver about 24 to 25 mpg no load, 3500 single wheel reg cab, Now it delivers 18 mpg, same situations. Ford and Chevy are having the same problems. So if you are chosing Diesel strictly to save on fuel costs, you will not, not unless you are driving under loads and for over 30,000 per year.
If you want small, then you are better with a 6 cylinder 2WD and DSA (anti slip differential). Until the industry makes some changes to peak the Diesels to deliver better mpg and that won't happen if you want to run at higher RPMs for 70 mph interstate criuises.
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Sorry for the delay in answering, I had to get my rubber boots on and they were over at the farm.
Did I just read correctly?
"I have hauled loades from Vermont to Little Rock Ark and back many many times and with a LOAD, the Dodge rides better than the sagging Chevy or the moaning Ford."
"I have an 89 with well over 300,000 miles on it and it is still running and still looking good."
Is this the same 1/2 ton gasser you mentioned in the now famous "trailer" thread? The one that needs a WDH with 500 # of tongue weight?
Is this the same guy who calls the competition "cardboard hauler" and then goes on to say "Take a good close look at the F-150 sales for this year."
Let's stay on topic and out of the sales brochures, we were talking about diesel powered heavy duty pickups.
There are many, many members here who have large trucks, large trailers and hual over good distances and over all sorts of terrain. Let's stay to facts and experience.
I know a little about trailering too, in fact my fleet runs all across North America, and has for the past nearly 20 years.
As for silly statements like "Now I have heard nothing but Problems with Ford's 6.0L diesel and rumor has it, it may be discontinued." Rumours?? What about facts, of course it will be discontinued! Why would you continue to buy a Navistar when your own factories in Europe build a far superior engine??
Speaking of strange, it's strange that you don't mention the fact that Dodge's parent company builds a fantastic small diesel, but they don't put it in their own trucks, or that when they chose to bring the Mercedes cargo van, the replacement to the Dodge full-size, they DIDN'T give to D-C dealers to sell, it was only sold through Freightliner stores until they had all the bugs worked out.
Slop in front bearings? Come on now, who do you think is really gonna buy that one?
Who voids a warranty for putting a plow on a PROPERLY equipped truck? Ford hasn't to any of mine, not GM or Mitsubishi for any of my sub-contractors. In fact when I looked at putting a plow on my Hino the dealer said they would not only warranty it, but would give me a plow-equipped loaner if it ever broke down during a storm.
Finally, if I want a nice ride, I won't head for a 300C, my CLK430 rides nicer, so does my wife's Range Rover, and my Bimmer.
Best of luck.
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