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In my state, right after the aggressive military action in Iraq and into the re-building phases the price of OSB went thru the roof. I believe it was because of supply and demand but may be wrong? Now I am faced with a question on what to do. With the recent devestation with the psunami (spelling bad?) Does anyone have any thoughts on if our price for the OSB products will rise again? The last time the price went up it was around $6 a sheet to begin with and got as high as $22. That is huge. I will more than likely have to move and build a new house this spring/summer. I dont believe in walls made with foam and in my opinion the house will have osb all around it including the flooring t&g. I was thinking about buying the osb NOW and if something changes (like I go back to work) before the move is finalized I would bring it back or sell on the side to others at a great price)
Anyone here think the same as me and think the price is going to skyrocket? Do you think we will not be sending osb over to them for the rebuilding? Kinda in a bind here since the price of my new house may be 2-5K more if I dont buy and it does go up that high again. That increase wont break me of course but it may a great way to save a large amount of cash fast?
Thanks
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Grinder
I see your into carpentry, so I respect and value your input. I used to love working on projects and building (on the side) also. The last house I built in 2001 on my property in northern Wisconsin just wrung me out. Except for help with the obvious (two-three man jobs) I had been the carpenter,plumber,electrician etc.) on the whole job. We were not zoned/inspected at the time and it was all legal. It was fun for ahilw but that 5 hour one way drive every weekend drained me (then working from sun up till midnight every day while there) I finished it in one summer. By no mean am I profesional but know enough to do a superior job. Since I am a tool maker by trade I had to learn that wood is not steel and sometimes you need to go with the flow (grain),  .
I also had use 100% 5 ply plywood on that house for I too was not a fan of osb. Since that time I have changed my opinion of osb 100% or 180 degrees. Walls and roofing especially. I had a few friends up there when nailing sheathing material. Big mistake! Seemed that
one group of guys decided not to nail as often as I would.
You can see obvious spots where buckleing will occur on the ply. Since then I have had the oportunity to work on a few jobs that used only osb. I changed my opinion on the stuff and after doing alot of research on the process of manufactureing it, I have been using it exclusively since.
Question for you?
1.What dont you like about it?
2.Since I really have no choice about building this new house this year (or so it looks anyway) the cost of materials is something I have excepted. Its this shipping of large quantitiys of our manufactured products overseas and then we get it stuck in our butts on price that just burns me. Can you elaborate on your last comment to me? I seem to of lost you? The only reason I would buy this wood now is because I think we are going to see a huge short term spike again in price on it. Only reason I would ell it and not use it would be if I go back to work before the frost bubbles out of the ground. I am not a fan of returning things but will if I could not use it and or find a buyer that needs it for a cut price (of the current market). Was wondering. Thanks for your input, being unemployed right now funds are starting to tighten up and without breaking into savings a expense like this will kill my slush funds. Have not decided either way yet so I really respect you guys opinions here on this topic. Sometimes I dont see the forrest thru my glasses?
Thanks alot
Tom
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Thanks for taking the time guys to give me answers. I too have found the use of nail guns a must. When I built that house I was talking about my buddy (ARG) shamed me into NOT buying a framing nailer. Said, " AWE what the heck you need that for, we can do it better with out! You gat a good feel for how you set the nail" Well as you read, the few guys I had helping me must of had a tired arm and left out a few nails. I had used ALL plywood on the house.
When I built the garage I went and bought the framing and roofing nailers! NEVR again will I swing a hammer on a bigger job. The OSB (you are correct) has a tendancy to recieve a nail head at different depths with the nail gun at times. Where the nail gun was a life saver was when I installed the T-11 siding on the framing! Used the coated ring shank nails WOW! My fingers all still had their nails on after the whole garage was done! I had to re-pound a few but it was still better than trying to pound a nail into that HARD material. I know OSB has come a long long way since its inception and I will assume it will continue to improve. Around here all the builders use it it (especially for floors)
Funny you said that about Maine, and I wont let my oldest daughter read that. She kinda wants to move, tired of the semi-city life we have here and loves the place in northern Wis. My youngest daughter used to love it up there also but has just stated she dont want to leave her friends (TOO BAD!). She is 14. My oldest child is a son and could care less since he will be away at college anyway. What you said about Maine? My oldest daughter wants to move there and live there (not to mention go to college there) If I blew that buy her she would die! I think this summer/spring we were planning a trip to Maine. My wife wants to go on one last trip with the family before all of them get too old and have their own lifes. We are considering Maine, Any suggestions on what to do or see?
Thanks again guys!
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This is great conversation! Unreal the difference in locations and practices. I can not remember seeing anything but osb on a job site around here in a long time.
The last 7-10 years (guess) the standard is to wrap the corners and windows with OSB and the whole rest of the house has only 2x4 or 2x6 and like I said before that insulation board (like a celotex) material. They then put the vinle over the top and call it a house. I am not kidding you (since I lost a lot of pounds anyway) I could break into a house with a heavy duty utility knife. Think about it the next time a heavy storm blows thru with a tornado or the such. You have your bottom plate bolted to the foundation, every 16" a 2x4. On top of that you have a soft easily split siding, a piece of insulation board (fiber/foam crap) then maybe 1/2" drywall. Ask me (And this is only in my opinion) It dont sound very secure or even safe in the event of a big weather event. Guys, I can say this about that with out ripping on someone elses house because my house I live in down in Southern Wisconsin is built that way. When I had it built I did not know much anything else about the standard practices and that is one thing I never really looked into. I was furious (with my self) for not knowing that since I was ontop of many other things. Never gave it a thought when the papers were signed. Since that time I have built my own house (top to bottom all utility's) myself. Whee I built this other house was in a area or Northern Wi. that had next to no red tape and rules of inspections. I felt comfortable with my self and ability so I went ahead and did it. Dont get me wrong, I dont want this to sound like something it is not. My house up there is very simple. Basically a rectangle with walls and a with a 5x12x2.5 ceiling/roof. I have had folks say to me after seeing it, WOW I know where I am going when a tornado comes again.
1/2" ply on the outside walls, 2x6 studs,5/8" (sanded)
T-111 on the inside. Yes that is sanded! All 98 sheets of it. It is on the cieling and walls. I went with that for a few reasons (I know it is not common) This place is 312 miles from where I live, I was doing this on weekends
(I only have 2 weeks off a year vacation). My initial intent was to convert it back into a attatched garage to the new house I was going to build after I moved in a few years. My wife wanted only a toilet and shower, sink in the kitchen. She would be happy with that as a get away cabin till we moved. One thing led to anouther and the house is pretty cool trimmed all out with block pine boards, I left the t-111 unsealed and it looks real good. Most people think its T&G vertical. All seames even on roof are covered with a trim or version there of. I made my own for the cieling. Anyway, time was an issue for me and I thought it was a great way to get the look of wood in it, shorten up the install time, and in the end have a garage that had finished walls. . Well after the bathroom went in and the 2 bedrooms, the huge picture windows along with shelves around the whole primeter of the house not to mention a ton of other cool nooks and cranny items, this place will never be stripped out and turned into a garage. Dont look like much from the outside (right now) just vinyl sidding, but that was because I figured it would be changed out later to match what ever I built onto it. The inside is really nice.
So (getting back to my point sorry) with all that wood around the house including a separate wood 2x6 walled bathroom inside of the structure, most think it would be a great storm shelter and would have to be lifted off the foundation. The house is so far back in the woods and has such a great location I love it. Thing is, it is not far enough off the 2 lane highway for me. I may re-build a whole new place a 1/2 mile back in off the highway and let the kids have that place for a second home when back from college. (I cant stand hearing the trucks on the highway)
Grinder
Thanks so much for the info and the offer. I will get back to you on a later date. We just talked about the trip last night and are still deciding. Maine is at the top of the list for 2 of the 5 memebers of my family (me and my daughter) My wife dont care where we go so the other 2 have to way in before we decide. I really do appreciate you giving me that though, I will look at the sites later tonight.
well since it is my birthday today, my wife tells me I need to get my ass off the computer and get the garage cleaned out (again) then start mudding the drywall in the basement room I built, (never finished the outside of it and she tells me I have the time so get going since we may be selling in a few months she wants me to finish off all the loose ends at this house! . OK DEAR!!!!!
Thanks guys
PS, I will looki into the home depot here today! Dont know if they still have the NO NO NO going or not but that would be great if they did
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I dont know about all the way around but I use the plywood clips on roofs. How about you grinder? Grinder, this is amazing to me your dislike for the osb. Are we talking about the same product? After it is nailed down I have seen osb out in the elements that normally would ruin plywood.
When you buy 5 ply plywood. Is this 5 ply because it is 5/8" thick. I bought some 1/2" 3 ply and about puked when I saw the pile after a few weeks under a tarp. I dont think I ever saw 5 ply 1/2" Is there such a thing? That may be the difference in our opinions on plywood.?
Hmmm Now I will need to do some research on this. Just went thru a very expensive new houseing subdivision (thry start at $350K) Not a sheet of plywood at any house. They still use that foam board (insulboard) crap even on the huge expensive places. That along with osb on the roofs and corners (around windows also)
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I figured you were using 5 ply 1/2" The 3 ply is like you said, crap. Unfortunaltey if you go to the large chains around me 5 ply is a special order in most circumstances. Yes, my bad experiances is with the 3 ply.
Wonder if the standard practices are different in our locations?
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http://www.umass.edu/bmatwt/publications/articles/osb_vs_plywood.html
I see your point. This is a good read also. It really looks like your instalation and application needs to be picked in the right clinate and proper way of handling. Some pro's but a few more cons?
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The oriented strandboard board used to be called chip board around here. The difference now (one of many) is they call it oreiented strand because NOW they "orient" the strands or(wood shavings/chips). This gives it a sheet like effect of plywood but enables the use of smaller new growth trees. Along with glue improvements and others it has come a long way. I am learning alot from new searches and found the area of the country the trees come from (specie) makes a big difference also. Sorry go to go, take a kid to a band concert.
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