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 01-08-2005, 16:05 Post: 103827
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I would not get to hung up on one item,have you checked the price of plumbing supplies lately?
I think this would be true of many item in a new house.
Currently paying 22.00 bucks a sheet for 1/2" 5 ply fir plywood. That is down from almost 30.00.
Guess I just don't like that osb.
If you have a place to sell, it should be all relative, that's to say your appraisal should reflect the cost of
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 01-09-2005, 07:07 Post: 103849
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I do use both depending on the job and several other issues.
Not the least of which are customer,price,time of year(weather).
I perfer plywood mostly because of it's history, I have my doubts about wrapping your house in plastic too.(vinyl)
I haven't worked on any 50-100 yr. old houses that have been
built using these products? I have worked on some younger ones where the osb has swelled and the nailing has popped.
Mostly within 18" of the ground. I have read that technically you are suppose to treat any cut edges before
application, I have seen why. You will notice that on lifts of OSB the edges are all painted. Also you are suppose to space it 1/8 in. between sheets for exspansion.This is a pain in the ass. .That's why nobody does it. This may have added to the warping you mention. We nail all our sheet goods at a min of 6",16 OC and 4" in the builings corners.
One other major issue for me is the weight of it,as we use only 5/8 on the roofs,1/2 " on walls all 16oc. When your 45 years old,with two back surgery's behind you, it is a major consideration.
I also don't like the way it takes the nail, quite often the head won't penatrate the surface,(it has a hard wax added to it for weather protection) and you have to go back over it with that thing called a hammer.Love that paslode! I quess I'm just from the old school and I wonder why so many houses have mold problems?
I know this info is biased but it is worth reading.

Ever thought of moving to Maine? I would think a good tool and die man could find a job easily. Also lot's of RN job's and Lobster is only $5.00 a lb.
Best of luck to you and yours.






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 01-09-2005, 16:40 Post: 103859
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Brokenarrow,
Maine is great,I hesitate to say that as all the people that will read this. But we love it here and the quality of live is the best.
There are endless things to see and do,if you like being outside.
I have been in fourteen countries and from Fla. to Calif.
and now spend twelve mo. a year right here.
We are into camping in the summer,we leave our Camper at the campground for the summer and go up north every weekend.
The crime rate is among the lowest in the country and the public schools and university of Maine are among the highest rated. Check out the Maine laptop progam, this is where the state/apple is suppling every 7th grader a laptop computer.
We also have several Ivory leauge colleges as well,Colby,Bowdin.
I'll send you this Maine tourism site but also check out Maine Today .com That is the newspaper site for the State.
If you would give me some indication of what you guy's like to do,I will be glad to try and make some suggestions on where and when.Not sure where you are in Mich. But coming across Canada there is a lot less "crap" to drive through.






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 01-10-2005, 04:54 Post: 103883
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Be sure your not buying waferboard thinking it is osb.
New housing starts have taken a big drop in Nov.nationwide,
this could be part of the reason.Another is the increase of plants that manufacture it.This article I found sums it up best for me.
The most important point made in it (for me) is that it is money in the builders pocket on bid job's.
Of course these guy's(builder's) are going to tell you it's as good or better.
They just built a $300,000 dollar house next door to me
and covered it with 7/16 waferboard,on 2x4 trusses set 2'oc. These poor people got
screwed! House looks great,but let's see what a couple of
Maine winter's does to it.
Beware folk's!
Interesting note,this article was written in 1997.
The "edge swell" is still a problem.






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 01-11-2005, 04:58 Post: 103965
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Lucerne
Advantec is OSB. It is the trade name made by Huber.
I have recently used that, only to have minor,1/8 in. or less joint swells on a roof. I find it very heavy and you
are suppose to gap it 1/8 in all around. That is not an
easy nut to crack on a large project.
As far as luan is concerned,I believe you will find the
flooring manufactures no longer warranty their product's
(tile/Vinyl ) over it. They want you to use multiply,
very similar, without voids.

Looking at my 3/4 advantec subfloor today on my current project.
ALL the joints have swelled! I am done with OSB!!
My 5 ply fir plywood walls and roof are fine.






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 02-04-2005, 18:19 Post: 105511
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Yes, The way I read it is you are suppose to gap it 1/8 " all around.
Now can you imagine doing that on a large roof and staying sq.?
Three ply would be about the cheapest crap you could buy.
I use 5 ply fir 1/2 5/8 3/4. The grains are alternated in assembly and glue up.
OSB vs Plywood has a great deal to due with the time of year
and how fast you can get it covered. Either product should be asap. Yes, OSB is weather resitant until the surface is
penetrated or cut. I have noticed the swelling of the edges
where I have nailed it or cut it. Depending on the intended use, this can be a problem. example. OSB with uneven edges
will need another layer of a leveling product (luan type)etc
before installing a finished floor. 3/4 5ply fir plywood
underlayment and your ready to go with most floors.
There are several flooring products that are not warrantied over OSB.
The uneven edges will also transfer to your asphalt shingles
if the roof gets to wet before they are installed.
When using it on sidewalls for sheathing there are other issues to contend with. The one that worries me the most
is creating another vapor barrier on the outside wall due to the use of resins and wax in the OSB, Plyood does have
resin as well but do to the nature of the wood needed to make it(tight grains of large tree's vs chips from fast growing (10 yrs to harvest) trees used for osb and other chip board products. The plywood will dry out better.
So that any moisture getting past your vapor barrier
INSIDE your house will be able to get through the plywood easier. There have bveen lawsuits settled on this issue with some types of siding. Mold !
Google Plywood VS OSB I found a couple of unbiased university studies that were interesting.
Remember this, most decisions in building are profit motivated, especially in large subdivisions.
Check out building sciences .com American plywood assc.






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 02-05-2005, 13:44 Post: 105540
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The big box stores only stock items that return a min. profit. I knew a guy in management who told me that.
I believe it. Those stores are impossible to deal with.






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 02-06-2005, 07:02 Post: 105578
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I am not familiar with using foam board as sheathing and can not comment on it. I can't imagine it actually?






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 02-06-2005, 07:06 Post: 105579
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Huckmeat
I was reading a flooring contractors forum and the comment
there was that all the quality home builders use nothing but plywood?
I am not sure what the answer is, so I will stick with the plywood, it has a history.
Interesting, the different perspectives from around the country.






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