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Well Water Problems
I can offically put an end to the (Bladder pressure tank)
thread! I replaced the whole system at the other house and still have the same problem. After further digging into this problem, I have found where it exists. Its in the well. Anyone who has any idea's can chime in here !!!  .
Some info first: The well was dilled in July of 2000.
I told him that when he gets good water to stop. He called me and said he is 44 feet down and has water that after being pumped for 6 hours at 2.5 gallons a minuit is at a static level of 37 feet. The water level is at 33 feet with out pumping. I have had no problems at all with water in all these years. Last year was not perticulariy dry nor has this year been.
Last summer (Ayg.) I noticed the problem while washing the tractor, I would run out of water. The kid told me that after the LONG showers they seem to take that they would run out also. I screwed around and then put a whole new pressure tank system in along with all new parts. Not the problem! This weekend I start the pump at the circuit breaker and run out to the well. I can hear it pumping and it sounds like its pumping (and it is). All of a sudden you hear, "A girgel-ling sound and then a sound like its sucking air mixed with water, then you hear a sound like its not sucking anything but air?
The pressure tank shows the same thing. It will pump up to about 20 pounds (if at zero) and then stop moving up. I have to turn power off to the pump and wait about 7 min.
Then I turn it back on and I will have about 10-15 more pounds of pressure build in the tank. After three times of doing this, I have enough water in the tank to turn the pressure switch off (OPEN the points).
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Anyone hear have any suggestions or idea's? I feel the well is not producing enough water or may closing up?
I was going to call the well guys but want some advice here first, thanks alot !
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Harvey
Funny!!! Here is how it went. Get up there late Thur. night. Run out in the woods and retrieve a game camera, (Prioritys right?) Get back and install the new pressure system. Have a small leak but fix that right away with one more turn of the coupler. Everything worked fine except that the pressure stopped increasing at about 30 psi. Thats when I realized what what going on. YES My spouyse was starting to re-pack. . What about showers"""???? She say's? I figured out real fast how long it took for enough water to get into the drilled well (6" casing" again before the pump would suck it into the system. I tells her, " OK Take that shower but , "get wet, turn it off, soap up and then turn back on and rinse it off!" LIVID???? YOU ASK??? YES! All five of us took showers that way but it was 11pm when we finished!
Here is the best part (and some one once said that women should rule the world) On Friday afternoon the girls all wanted to take a hike down the trails. I did not think about it at all, told them GO AHEAD! ) (BTW, My son and I had the 4 wheelers totally covered with mud just from running out and picking up that camera the night before! LMAO) ONE would think that as soon as they see water acrossed one of the trails that they would change their mind and come back! NOPE!!!! By the time they got a mile into the walk they were already covered with mud and wet to their knees. By walking the edges of the trail to get around some of the water, they would get scratched up by the black berry and rasberry patches that run the whole way along the edge of the trail! Needless to say that when they returned, My wife and my (know it all) 15 year old girl were choking each other! (My other girl is cool, she came back and said, OH WELL<(I told them? )
Then came the mud and how do we get this off with next to no water??? All the bitching and moaning about the problem that I can not fix! (I am not god ya know?) It did not help when I told them to go out ot the pond and rinse off before getting in my shower! ROTFLMAO!!! Honest!!! Fuel to a fire? You bet!
NO we did not go to a hotel and also they lived thru the whole thing. Aslo my son got his first turkey.
Here are a couple pictures
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Peters
2.5 gallons was what I had and it was enough. I would bet you I dont have even 1/3 gallon per min. now though.
Here is what I was told by the well drillers. (tell me if this makes sense since I was too embarresed to ask the exact process.
He told me, " About the only thing we can do is drill deeper, we can come out and get on it in about a month or so". I asked him if the pitless adapter would need to be scraped along with the 38 foot of casing? "Nope" he said, told me that if he remembers right, he was into the bed rock at about 38 foot, said that it took them 6 hours to go anouther 6 foot (had all kinds of probelems I guess) He said that they just go right thru the existing casing and drill deeper till they hit anouther section of good water? No more casing is required???????
1. Is this because they are in bedrock?
2. Once a driller gets into solid stone, do they STOP putting down casing?
This is what I dont understand. I done search after search and can only find bits and peices of how its done?
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Update
On info and progress
I just got a call from a guy who says he is in my area with his drill rig and was contacted by my well driller and was told to get over by me and get er done. I am under the impresion that my driller is swamped with work (since he has not made it out by me yet and when I last talked to him he told me he was backed up pretty far.
Anyway that what I figure anyways. So this guy talks to me and sound ok. Said he was told by Wilmarth that they had drilled 38 foot down and hit rock, laid the pipe on top of that and drilled 6 more feet to a depth of 44 foot where they broke thru? What ever that means I have no idea but the new guy seems to think there will be no problem. Said we will get in there and go a bit deeper
Said he would get me the water I should have! What I like was that it sounded like he was actually concerned that I DO NOT HAVE WATER! I will let ya all know next week how she goes!
Any one wanna guess what my cost will be start to finish? That would include dropping the pump and dissenfecting again? (I will be honest with ya all )
My guess = $1200. (I HOPE )
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Harvey, hopefully they just didnt hit a large bouolder.
Do you know if they can tell what they are drilling into just by the slag coming back up?
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IM GETTIN SICK!!!! Harvey you JINXED ME!!!!!!!
We are at 189' LAST I HEARD, Nope that wouldnt be the sound of artesians playin in my water, that would be my stomach contents hitting the ground!
So much for cutting the overtime back to 50 hours a week for the summer.
Willie, no developement anywhere. We are pretty rural
I got to drive 9 miles to get to a small town and 55 miles to get to any town of any size at all.
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Thru the grapevine I have heard that the original driller was not in bedrock ! Must of hit a very large boulder or something! That he laid the pipe on at 40 feet. From what I have heard (have not contacted or been contacted by the driller yet) he was bringing up a yellow/brown shale type material the whole way, from 44 feet to his present depth of around 190. Supposedly around 165 he strated bringing up a different material and then at 180 he was bringing up hard clay colored (grey0 material when he stopped.
I am supprised I did not get a call from anyone yet.
Now I wonder what they do? Run a smaller dia. casing thru the larger one? Sure I will find out soon what the damages are.
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Im pissed! I think I am getting layed away. Was told to day that I am in the hole (litterally) for 4K. (For the hole that was dug) Im cool with that but then he tells me he wants to use a steel pipe to hang the pump from instead of plastic just incase something falls ontop of the pump. (HMMMM) I ask him how much he says anouther 8 hundred atleast! (Hmmmm) I ask how much water I have now, he says, " oh you have atleast a few gallons a minuit" (Hmmm) A few??? Didnt you pump it to find out? Im burnning up now. He tells me that he would have toi use his truck to drop the steel pipe holding the pump down the well, ya know there are a few soft spots in that hole???
Hmmmm.... Me smells something here? I told him Id get back to him.
I call my buddy up there and ask his opinion since he used to be a driller out west and he saw what was brought up by my well guys. My buddy tells me that they brought nothing but soft crap up till the last 20 feet and then it was marginal for how hard the material might be! SO This tells me that my hole!!!!! Will colapse sooner or later, RIGHT????? Or am I wrong? I should have casing down thru this soft crap right? Me thinks I need to get anouther well guy in there to tell me if I am getting wet and dont know it? What do you all think? Ya think I should drop a pump thru 40 feet of casing and then anouther 100 foot of JUST DRILLED hole (and it is soft crap not rock?)
Yep, I think I feel something wet and warm running down my back and I dont think its the Summer thunderstorm the well driller is telling me that is making me wet!
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Harvey
I called the guys who actually drilled my new well, (remember, my driller had to sub it out since he was backed up) I called to ask him his opinion of what he was drilling thru. He told me that he noticed that my water table had fallen to just barely above the pump (he could tell by the old water line on the pipe holding the pump. He said that within 15 feet of drilling he had more water coming in than before (how he knew I dont know, maybe by what was pulling back up?) Said that it was soft in spots but pretty much the same material for most of the way down to 170' from there down to 188 it was a harder material and he notice quit a bit more water. I asked him about putting the pump down with out casing, he said that he thought it was OK also. They had one guy about 3 miles away like me and his well filled in by only 10 feet (of crap falling from the sides) bottomline is that he saw nothing wrong. ! Anyways, he went on to say that IF they were to ADD on to my existing casing then they would legally have to make some changes. Like pulling up the existing casing and then enlargening the first 40 foot.
He said that I would be adding about $2,500 to my well cost.
Like I said, I am just sick! What ever happened to the $5000, 150 foot deep well with casing 125 foot down?
I can't help but think I am getting it rammed right up my behind!
Explain to me this??????? If well drillers are charging 25-28 a foot of drilled well (including casing) how can my 144 foot of NEW UNCASED well hole cost 4 grand (FOR JUST THE HOLE, NO CASING!)
I better go take a prevacid and forget about this for awhile, now I see why folks end up un explainably lieing in a shallow depresion in the ground checking out the amouint of time it takes for a person to decompose secretly! More and more it seems like folks that do an honest days work for and honest dollar are harder to find!
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Blueman
No clue on cost ,but, have heard of that.
Harvey
Sorry, it took so long to get back, my son has a Black Bear harvest permit this fall and I have been very buisy baiting and getting him ready not to mention gettin him back to college.
Latest update: Last weekend we all were at the other house. I have hd good clean tasting water for about 3 weeks (Actually very very good taste to it!)_ All of a sudden after it sat for 2 weeks of non-use, we gets back there and I have no water or very little water coming out of all the faucets. I unscrew the screens and whaallaah
They are full of white rocky cuttings (the last color crap that was drilled and pulled up at the bottom of the well. I figured that I cured it but in a matter of min. it was clogged again! Long story short; I wound up installing a whole house filter, So far the shower works fine with only ONE clogging since (I think that was left in the lines)
This weekend when I get back there I plan to rplace all the faucets (I just happen to have the old ones from my new house) and also I need to replace the toilet innerds .
I still plan to do some checking and do some investigateing on getting gouged. I will make their life miserable if I find out anything like me being screwed. Bad mouthing (actually telling the truth) is the best method along with recomending someone else.
The other step would be to try and get money back legally which is probably impossible.
Thanks for asking.
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