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Rob, interesting how different liability issues are between countries, here in Canada, "coughing up dough" is not optional, all someone has to do is contact the Association of Professional Engineers and they will tell you put you in touch with an adjuster for the insurance carrier. If a claim is deemed to be covered (and almost all are) they will fix the problem with their contractor and then go after the Engineer for the $5,000 deductable on the liability policy. Also, an Engineers certification is binding regardless if he was NEVER even on-site. This is why I don't practice. On the other hand medical malpractice is almost impossible to do anything about in Canada unless it is a major problem.
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I appreciate all of the knowledge being thrown at my problem. I am still waiting to hear from the builder to see what he offers. I am sure something will happen, I haven't paid him the balance as of yet. I am getting over the initial dissapointment and trying to focus on the good work that is apparent in my project.
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Cutter;
The answer is yes. Yes you can hammer the pipe down through the cement and yes you can dig up under the floor under the pipe. The job is not the tough if you know what to do.
To dig out under the pipe place a waterhose on the end of a 4' piece of 1/2-3/4" PVC pipe and use the water pressure to clear the dirt out from under the pipe. You can also use a pressure washer. Filling the area above the pipe may be a problem but if you disturb only the earth necessary you should not weaken the floor much.
You should be able to hammer the pipe down with a mallet. I recently build 2 ICF structures and had to move the through pipes some 2 inch. I found I could hammer the pipe though the 6 1/2 inch concrete to adjust the amount extending throught the walls.
Do you need an engineer? No you need a plumber. Unfortunately I am also an engineer, but with advanced degrees.
Incidently I plumbed the water lines my barn with the crosslinked polyethylene. In this part of the country it was like taking your like in your hands as PVC is king. I plumbed around the exterior walls of the 40 x 60 ' barn to put in exterior taps and put in a bathroom. I turned the thing on and looked for leaks. I did not have one. The system was frozen a couple of times last winter but did not crack any fittings. We do not get to hard of a freeze here though. I understand it will with stand a hard freeze though.
Peters
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Thank you for the idea Peters. I am waiting for my builder to call me back tonight. I will see then what he offers. I understand all of the concerns that have been expressed regarding undermining of the slab, and no matter what method is used, I will make sure I am present and try to get my plumber (that is usually me, but not in this case) to assist that day as well. Is the polyethylene that you used the same material swimming pool installers are using, a white reinforced, ribbed , flexable plastic? I am going to plumb everything overhead with drain cocks and drips so the system can be winterized easily, so I will use pvc or Cu.
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cutter, I am sure you already thought about this, but be thankful you did not put radient heating tubes in that slab and if you had the tubes be thankful the problem is 3-4 feet from the edge!
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Don't let them off the hook. I understand that you don't want to be a pain in the neck, but you paid money for this project, and it sounds like you were very careful in the layout and setup of the floor. This was their problem, and they MUST have seen what they did when it happened. Get the owner/lead guy out there to look at what was done and insist that the concrete floor be cut out in that area and a new floor poured in after the pipe is fixed. You did not ask them to do the job halfway.... and hold back that money until it is done right.
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Jason, the project is long since paid for. We dug under the slab and chipped the concrete away around the stand pipe that was affected the most then hammered the whole thing down to the point it now drains from one end to the other. Not as neat a job as you suggested, but the most I figured I would get out of them. I don't like lawyers and so unfortunately, I pick the lesser of two evils at times. The undermine is not extensive and I am going to pack it with a sand/cement mix this spring once everything is settled.
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Don't mean to come on too strong there, it just kills me when you spend you hard earned money and pay someone else to do something for you and they make more of a hassle than if you did it yourself. I'm glad to hear it all worked out in the end. Any chance of some picture of the project. Where did you get the plans and are you going to build with green lumber or kiln dried stuff ?
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Jason,
The building is up. Pictures are on the Photos page.
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