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bmlekki - one of my customers had a simular situation as you. He dug up all the leeching & preforated pipe & put 2 feet deep of 3/4 inch stone under & over them. he didnt put the topsoil back on, he let the stone go right to grade level. That bandaid worked for him. It costed him 3 days of labor & a couple hundred for the 20 tons of stone. Goodluck.
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Thanks to all for your input...
As always!!!
Take care..
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im a master plumber, ive been in the business for over 30 years. i have run across the older septic problems you have. you can extend your leach fields to get you by but you should consider replacing the tank to code. If it is possible for some one to drive any type of vehicle onto that tank they could end up in it. I have had to remove backhoes from caved in tanks. Not a fun job.
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Yooperpete:
I'm southwest of Detroit (a Flatlander to you). Around here in clay, they are called "engineered systems" and can cost $14,000 to $20,000 for the system you described.
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Drain fields or leach beds were used prior to the advent of the aerator because the septic tanks back then weren't very efficient treating the waste so the effluent required further treatment after it left the tank.
Around the late 60s to early 70s The aerator septic tank was developed which eliminated the need for Drain fields or leach beds as the effluent from them is 98% pure
The aerator is designed to operate properly and efficiently using an open unobstructed drain pope to discharge the effluent from the tank.
I seriously question the wisdom of obstructing the flow of this drain pipe in any way which is exactly what happens when you replace the drain pipe with a drain field or leach field in a vane attempt to purify the remaining 2 percent after the tank has removed 98% of the impurities.
Adding a drain field or leach field to the tank is sorta like plugging the tail pipe of a car or restricting flow in the exhaust pipe.
I seriously doubt that a drain field or leach field removes much if any of the remaining 2 percent after the tank has removed 98% of the impurities.
Suppose it did remove 1% of the 2% but the drain field or leach field caused the tank to drop from 98% efficiency to 96% efficiency.
We now have and expensive inferior septic system and the overall efficiency has dropped from the 98% we had before adding the drain field or leach field to the 97% we now have with the drain field or leach field.
Seams to me this whole leach field inspection permit thing was drummed up to keep the installers in business and generate revenue from permits and inspections while providing busy work for Gov. officials.
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bmlekkis problem is a perfect example of how a leach bed screws up an otherwise near perfect septic system.
Adding a leach bed to a septic tank creates future potential problems while providing no improvement to the performance of the tank.
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I plan to clear the dirt around the the perf pipes and put some gravel around it so the water has some place to go. What size gravel would I order, and is there defined amount to place around a 12 foot length??
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Tanks are designed to operate with a clear free flowing unobstructed outlet out of the tank.
A leach Bed is not a clear free flowing unobstructed outlet.
Adding a leach bed is an open invitation to tank failures such as yours.
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We call it a drain field or conventional septic system, and thy work great around here in the sandy soil. Have the solids pumped out of the tank every year or two and it'll be good.
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Home septic systems use a tank, organic bacteria and ground soil to filter waste water and return it to the ecosystem. The soil acts as the final filter, cleaning pathogens and bacteria and returning water to the ground. The result is a slow but environmentally safe waste disposal method. Septic systems require maintenance. For instance, toilet paper can be used, but some flush-able wipes cannot.
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