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Hey Mark, I'm still waiting to hear if you shout that 375 winchester or if its just in the collection. It seems like a heck of a cartridge.
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A rifle thread! Now I am going to have to send you information on my old Winchesters to get an idea what I actually have Doc. One octagon barrel, one round, I'll get back with the details when I have more time.
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Sounds good, I'd be happy to take a look. Intersetingly enough on the antiques the round barrels were the special oreders and the Octagons were standard. Then theres the 1/2 octagon 1/2 round. The first light weight barrel !
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The 375 Winchester is a fine and under-appreciated cartridge.
If it loaded to anywhere near its potential it will launch a 220 grain bullet as fast or faster than a 30-06
This is serious short to mid-range power. It is SAAMI rated at 50,000 CUP. One of the reasons it can go there is the specially drawn brass.
The 375 Win., like its granddaddy the 38-55, uses a straight walled 30-30 case. Actually I guess the 30-30 is a necked down 38-55 case.
Anyway, the 375 brass is much, much stronger than run of the mill 30-30 brass and has some interesting potential for "plus P" loads in 30-30 Ackley Improved chamberings and similar loadings in the 7-30 Waters.
I have done some limited experimentation in this area with my Ackley Improved cartridges and I discovered rather quickly that the brass is so much thicker that once it is necked down it needs its neck thinned to operate safely in standard 30-30 chambers. I suspect that would be true of 7-30 chambers too.
Anyway, my Marlin 375 was used when I bought it. I have run some practice rounds through it. Someday when life gets easier, I hope to hunt with it.
Two bullets of note for lever guns and handloaders are a 220 grain flat point which is, I think, made by Hornady especially for this caliber, and a 255 soft point made by Barnes. Either one should slap the dog turds out of a moderate to large sized bear at closer ranges and be more than adequate or deer, antelope and critters of that ilk, or in this case, elk.
For Contenders in this chambering there are published loads using 235 grain bullets designed for the 375 H&H.
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Sounds like fun to me. Probably seems a bit tame to a 444 Marlin fan. Speaking of Ackley Inproved cartridges the one I have always wanted was a 218 ackley improved. I am still curious to hear about that 416 !
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mark, I noticed this morning takeing a quick peek at the Winchester web site that they are makeing a '94 chambered in the .480 ruger. I thiught that would be of interest to you being a wheel gun fan as well. I know what I have read about this one but nothing more. You think it will gain any yardage ove the 44 mag out of a 20" tube ? I have to admit to still being very drawn to the 454 Casull in a lever gun.
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If Any one knows where theres a Winchester model "94 in 480 Ruger for sale please let me know.
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Cutter; I havent heard back from you on those lever guns and I was just wondering if you had received My reply a few weeks back to your e-mail. I am planning on picking up a new Winchester trapper in 44 mag next wednsday. It should be fun with and with a 16" barrel a perfect little brush gun.
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I am thinking the 454 might be a lot pressure in a rear locking action.
It essentially runs in the same power class as a 45-70 but some of those factory loads are 60,000 psi or more, where the 45-70 runs at half that by virtue of it bigger boiler room.
You gain a little weight savings in the rifle, at least in the Taurus, due to the shorter action, but lighter weight is not necessarily a good thing when you combine those muzzle energy figures with a 6 pound carbine.
The 480 Ruger is also sort of re-inventing the 1873 'wheel'. It offers 1.5 caliber more than a 45-70 which isn't really significant, but its chamber pressures are probably more suited to a lever action.
I guess the attraction, other than the 'cool' factor, will be the traditional American virtue on "two guns, one cartridge". The only fly in that ointment is the frame size of the handguns for the 480 are a bit on the big side for daily packing. A 5 shot Super Blackhawk with a 5 1/2 inch barrel would change all that.
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I have to admit to initially being drawn to the .480 ruger by the cool factor. After doing a little research ammo is limited, expensive and ballisticly there is such a nominal improvement over the 44 mag that I decided to pick up the 44 instead. especially if over the counter hot loads are desired they are available from Buffalo Bore as well as Cor bon although both are expensive as well. I did see a Casull in the Puma lever gun which I think is a '92 clone. I've never seen one close up. I am not mutch of a Taurus fan after two defective wheel guns, both 38's. No doubt the recoil on the Casull would be stiff but most big bores are. I really dont think of the 44 mag as a big bore but Winchester is labeling the .480 as such. I also like the 444 marlin ballisticly BUT I sure dont care for the beating,  . I think I would have to send one of those out to have the answer system installed.
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