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 02-10-2004, 22:33 Post: 76596
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Heck, if you're 100% in the right you'll STILL be up to your eyeballs in lawyers.

As an aside, I just read that Peterson's lawyer Geragos is going to claim that GPS technology is not generally accepted as accurate in order to throw out the tracking evidence they have on Peterson. The xxxxxxxx lawyers will say anything and do anything to get anyone off. Our justice system would be far better off if lawyers were tasked with getting at the TRUTH rather than getting people off.






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 02-11-2004, 03:18 Post: 76606
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Kubotaguy..I really didn't mean what I said about WV. I was directing a rebuff to a certain individual, though, when I wrote the comment I had this nagging feeling that someone would take offense. But I just couldn't help myself. The description probably fits the intended receipient and certainly not the rest of the state. Thanks for the wakeup. My humblest appologies.

I agree that a section like this is a good thing. It kind of lets members get to know each other beyond the tractor thing. My feeling has been that most of our members are conservative, salt of the earth, apple pie and motherhood types. I mean, libs would hire it done.

And it is slow in the tractor arena right now, at least for me. So we can blow off steam in the high suicide season whilst we await tractor season...at least for me. (I can't start digging until after breakup which is around May 1st.)

Has anyone read about Alaska's aerial wolf control policy? We're being boycotted by the Friend's of the Animals..etc..in the States over it. Any comments or opinions? We've tried to implement this for years and have been boondogled by outside influence at every turn. The issue is, too many wolves in certain areas killing too many moose needed for subsistence use. Our new Governor, Frank Murkowski, is a bulldog and just doesn't give a c..p what anyone else thinks and pushed this through. Not that I disagree.

Anyway, after 43 years up here I have my opinions on it. Just thought I'd see what the south "48ers" think.

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 02-11-2004, 03:33 Post: 76607
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GPS not accurate?? He needs his medication changed! I have docked my boat in fog using GPS. BUT..attorneys can be outrageous. I think mercury sinks to the bottom when poured into water. If so, then that would disrupt the breeding grounds of attorneys.






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 02-11-2004, 07:32 Post: 76615
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Dear Lawman, the people of the third world will always love to hate the United States of America. We respresent everything that they want; great health care (despite the HMO's), higher savings, better homes, better consumer goods, our freedoms, and most of all, our jobs. The third world folk are willing to do anything to get an American's job, and it looks like they'll have the chance. I expected the liberal socialist Democrats to pony up with freebies for the illegals, but I never in a million years expected the GOP. Our nation is sliding towards third world status as more jobs are lost, the HMO's make being ill and having a job a crime (take a look at who chokes your local ER, using it as their own private primary care facility which we pay for), and our politicians put special interests before their voters. When I read stories like the one in your post, I am not a bit surprised. It is going to get much worse before it gets better. Don't sell off grandpa's old hogleg, you just may need it in the not too distant future.






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 02-11-2004, 10:21 Post: 76629
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This is a little long but somewhat timely with the recent fighting in our little tractor sandbox. Smile



Policies against bullies won't work

By Jerome Christenson / Winona Daily News
King Canute is alive, well and writing education policy statements.

You remember His Majesty, he's the fellow who had his throne set up on the seashore at low tide and commanded the sea to stay put.

He ended up with wet feet.

Since then he's lowered his sights a bit. Now he's ordering mean, little kids to "be nice."

Or else.

Yup, by policy, given proper first and second readings, with revisions, majority votes and the appropriate enshrinement in thick, administrative manuals, school officialdom is putting an end to the common schoolyard bully.

Or so they think.

As a kid who went through childhood as prime bully-bait I hate to tell 'em, it ain't gonna work.
As the adult, that kid became, I can tell ‘em, I sure hope it doesn't work.

Oh, I suppose they have good intentions and all n these folks usually do. They want to protect kids from pretty much anybody or anything that "is intended to cause or is perceived as causing distress to one or more students…" and they spend five single-spaced, footnoted pages of convoluted legalese spelling out how to do it.

To condense and translate, mandated juvenile social harmony will be attained through compulsory tattling followed by a multi-stage investigation the likes of which hasn't been seen since the Warren Commission; followed by the tattler being placed in a witness protection program, presumably to be relocated to a remote Iowa county until the whole thing blows over.

I'll say it again, it ain't gonna work … I'm glad it ain't gonna work.

Our kids need bullies.

Let me explain.

I was a sawed-off, runty kid with thick glasses and a big mouth, the kind of kid that attracted bullies like a tax cut attracts Republicans. Being my parent's oldest, I didn't have a big brother to bully me at home; I had to wait until my first day of school to meet my first bully.

I'll call him LeRoy, because that's his name. He pointed out I was puny, dressed funny and had the wrong kind of lunch box. Then he pushed me into the mud.

I didn't like that. That night I told Mom all about it. She told me I'd have to fight my own battles.

On the second day of school, LeRoy pushed me into the mud again.

I got up and hit him in the face. After his nose stopped bleeding, we both got sent to the principal. By the time the two of us finished sitting out a week's worth of recesses as punishment for fighting, we got along pretty well.

I learned to stand up for myself. LeRoy learned that even a muddy, runty kid can pack a mean right jab. That's a lot of education to pack into the second day of school.

In time I learned that bullies weren't going to just go away. There was a kid bigger and meaner than LeRoy just waiting to take his place, and I'd have to figure out how to deal with him … and the kid after him and after him… Teachers and principals lined up with my folks to help n "Don't tattle to me," they said, "You have to learn to fight your own battles."

And I did. We all did. With no help from caring adults we discovered that when three or four or ten of us cornered a playground thug behind the town band shell and left him to make his way home scuffed, bleeding and without his pants — with further fair warning that next time his underwear also would be forfeit — it had a wonderfully civilizing influence on his future behavior. Call it vigilante justice, participatory democracy, ad hoc conflict resolution or the application of positive peer pressure — we learned to fight our own battles. Some we won. Others we lost. What we learned served us well. Except for the ones in prison, we all survived to become reasonably decent, reasonably productive adults. Even the kid everybody called "Wedgie" went on to invent thong underwear…

King Canute's policy writers threaten to take that all away … turn what should become tough, independent kids into so many simpering, whining tattletales.

They can mandate that the schoolyard become a bully-free zone all they like, but it ain't gonna happen.

Being a bully is too much fun … especially when nobody's learning to fight back.

If you don't believe me, put the question to Saddam.

It ain't gonna work. Policy or no policy.

I hope the king is wearing his boots.






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 02-11-2004, 14:13 Post: 76654
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 Another story the media Will Not cover

The soccer incident just popped up on FoxNews.com from the Associated Press feed.






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 02-12-2004, 09:43 Post: 76711
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According to snopes.com, a site devoted to debunking e-mail hoaxes and other urban legends the statements attributed to Robin Williams are not his, except for the last one about the Statue of Liberty which is legitimately his. Read more at the link below.






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 02-12-2004, 10:57 Post: 76720
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It really doesn't matter to me who said it. I just included Robin Williams name because that was the e-mail I received and did not want to be accused of not giving credit.
I don't care if the Easter Bunny said it, I feel it has a somewhat powerful message and was trying to get that point accross.
However I do find it odd that the Statue of Liberty would have a bat and say you want a piece of me now considering it was a gift from the French!!!!!!






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 02-12-2004, 11:08 Post: 76721
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shortmagnum, in all respect for your position (and I agree with a good bit of it); I think you are a little out of touch about what goes on with kids at school nowadays.

Gone are the days of kids settling things themselves with just themselves. Now they use guns, knives, and other weapons. Gangs are prevailent in many areas and unless you want to start a war (which I have on an occasion or two); what you suggest is just not gonna work.

I teach my kids to avoid a fight if at all possible but defend themselves and do it with every bit of strength they possess. That having been said; I send them to school to learn and be educated NOT to fight.

My method is to contact the parents of these bullies and "explain the facts of life to them". Whether or not my child was victorious in the fight is irrelevant. I explain as politely as possible that I don't want any further confrontations or harrassment from their child. Should that not sink in; I explain that they will be explaining it to the judge. Barring success at this level; I very tactfully and politely explain to the father of the other child that we will be settling up issues in the same manor as the kids if they choose not to excersice their parental responsibility. This seems to have a reasonably productive and motivational influence on the errant father and our conversation.

I teach my kids to avoid violence and fighting. They also know they will get one heck of a Whoooopin' if they start a fight not in self defense. They also know there will be consequences if they let a bully get away with putting his/her hands on them without defending themselves. I made this VERY clear to the school board and principal. They changed the rules about fighting because of it and deleted the suspension for fighting for self defense at my request after I explain that self defense is one of the most basic human rights.

The school principals hold the nuclear weapon of student behavior compliance yet rarely have the courage or integrity to use it. It is call expulsion. When a child is expelled from a school; no other school in the area will accept them either. This forces the parents to either move to a school district that will accept them (which is nearly impossible) or pay to send their unruley child to a private school. In my opinion, after "3 strikes" (provided the other child was not seriously injured, no drugs, or weapons) this is a very reasonable, logical and effective option.

My kids are all A honor role students and I want them focusing on learning and developing their minds and values. We as parents and adults have a duty and responsiblity to ensue that ALL of our kis are focusing on that.






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 02-12-2004, 13:42 Post: 76736
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Chief, I might be out of touch with kids these days but I doubt it. Including my own schooling as well as my kids I have been involved with schools for the past 40+ years. My oldest is 28, my youngest is 8. Your points are well taken but the problems with gangs and the problems with bullies are two different things. Bullies tend to work alone or with a couple of cronies who act as his/her audience. They were around when I was in school, when you were in school and they're there now. When a bully sees a possible weaker kid and starts in on him, the best thing the kid can do is stand up for himself. In a bad situation it's throwing a punch, hopefully they won't have to. This takes away the "entertainment" the bully gives his cronies when the kid starts whining. Without an audience the bully is just a jerk.

The main reason I want my kids to stand up for themselves is because the bullies are not only in school. They grow up too. I want my kids to know how to be assertive in their adult lives too.

I think our common desire is to give our kids the best opportunity we can.
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