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My cousins the farmers have gone back and forth between Ford and Chevy trucks. They had a Dodge back in the late 80's and didn't like it. They usually have atleast 4 trucks. The last 2 have been Chevies with Duromax. They were unhappy about the '99 and '00 250's and 350's. They kept ripping out front ends and going through trannys. They now have one 02 and 03 Super-Duty and one 03 and 04 Duromax. They always use automatic transmissions for ease of pulling out boats at the docks and creature comfort.
The Duromaxes are quieter and haven't had any problems. I think the one brother uses his Ford harder than the other with Chevy. The dad is semi-retired and drives the other Chevy. The oldest truck usually hauls fuel, wrenches ,etc. and is the common work vehicle.
The latest Super-Duties have been good also. One of the cousins has the Ford with 6.0 and complains about fuel economy. He says the mileage isn't good when driving North on I-75 (gradual uphill grade all the way) toward Grayling when going 80-85 mph pulling a fourplace snowmobile trailer. When heading West on M-72 toward Traverse on the roller-coaster hills it has plenty of power to pass and maintain speed at 65-70 mph.
The Ford easily handles the 2 to 2 1/2 ton payload of fertilizer and seed when driving through plowed fields getting to the recently tilled fields for filling the planter. It squats a little though. Srings on the Ford seem stiffer to maintain profile under load.
It also handles the 15,000 GVW trailer well. They say they use the semi and low-boy trailer for hauling the big stuff.
Other than the mileage complaint on the Ford, he finds the seats a little hard. I have an '02 F250 with Triton V-8 and am very happy with it except for the seating. It is real firm in my opinion also.
I understand allot of the guys with problems have put in chips to increase power. I also understand the injectors on the Duromax can go bad at about 65,000 miles. Believe all of them have problems of some sort, especially if short trips are involved. Ford hassled them about so many warranty repairs on the front ends and trannies. So, the one brother switched to Chevy.
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PETERS: A Dodge Perkins???---Didn't Dodge only use the Perkins in their taxi cabs back in the late 50's / early 60's? (I'm too young to remember) I came across that info. in my Perkins Service Manual when I was rebuilding my skid loader engine.
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Longhair: "A Dodge is cheaper so it's not because of price."
Av8r: "They sell more trucks because of their extremely cheap fleet sales."
I said 'fleet sales.' I've had to bid against this when I worked for Chevy. Their prices are extremely low, most dealers would loose money if they sold one or two at the big fleet discounts.
Murf: You probably havn't had problems because of your mechanical knowledge and your dilligent maintainance practices on your truck(s). Most owners have neither.
If you have one (or more) of these and haven't had problems, kudos to you, you're doing great. I, personally wouldn't buy one. (I don't know if I would buy the 3rd gen Dodge either.) I'll keep my old truck.
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AV8R, Your link to the three connecting rods showed a pretty dramatic difference. But, you are comparing the rods of an inline six with those of a V8. Each rod would HAVE to be at least 33% stronger if the engines provided the same output.
Dave
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'Magnum: Thats exactly my point. The Cummins has 50% of the moving parts with near 50% more surface area on things like bearings.
I'm not trying to flame, but, are there any V-8 Diesels in over-the-road trucks? (Not very many) There must be a reason for that.
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The difference being, weight is not the critical factor in designing an engine for a pickup.
That's why they will happily spend thousands of dollars for aluminum wheels. Even just a few pounds of paid frieght lost due to the extra weight of steel wheels alone over nearly a million paid miles adds up to more money than hundreds of aluminum wheels.
An engine with dramatically less weight is a huge selling point in this instance.
Besides, only the smallest of delivery trucks would have an engine as small as a 5.9 litre Cummins. The ISM which is pretty standard in Cummins-powered tractors is an 11 litre displacement as an example, the bigger ISX is 15 litres. That is 2.5 times the size, a big difference.
In a pickup the only weight consideration is that of the relatively light suspension in a vehicle that small. The big goal is smooth power, to compete with the equivalent gas motor. In that case the 8 cylinder wins hands down.
Best of luck.
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I dont no about "fleet sales" but in my area you can buy a 1 ton dodge diesel cheaper then a 1 ton ford diesel with equal options. It is over a $2000 us dollar difference in price.
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Price difference is even more here. The sticker price on a one ton quad cab SLT is the same as the extended cab XLT with considerably less equipment. Not only that, the Ford has a $1000 rebate and the Dodge $2300. Usually this time of year is not that busy for dealers, but I am still waiting to hear from the two dealers I contacted about these vehicles two weeks ago.
I am leaning heavily toward the Dodge.
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i own two - 1 ton dual wheel deisel 4wd fords. They work hard plowing & towing trailers 6 days a week. I like them & have no regrets. : )
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The link below leads to a chat board concerning Ford Diesels. If you have one, or are thinking about buying one, this is a good resource for information.
This thread is about giving rental vehicles while warranty work is being done. One poster states that it FORD policy to always give rentals to 6.0 owners. With other vehicles, it is up to the dealer. Does this mean they see alot of the 6.0's?
I think it's funny how some of these guys are on their 5th or 6th turbo and 3rd or 4th tranny and they are buying another. One guy had his truck bought back 3 times and is waiting delivery on another! Brand (blind?) loyalty.
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