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SG, I think the problem is merely a misunderstanding.
I agree with the principles of what you are saying. However, you haven't been a member of this group long enough to know the origins of the "Pointless and Hostile" board.
It was never meant as an active area of discussion, it was a place to bury threads that went downhill and degraded from a usefull and informative discussion to personal attacks and merely mud-slinging.
Dennis, presumabely not wanting to either censor nor delete threads, did his best to find a compromise. That compromise was the Pointless & Hostile board. It was hidden in that a search didn't bring it up, nor did it show up in the Recent Posts list.
It was never meant to be a fight club.
You are absolutely correct, I have sparred on occasion, I don't suffer fools gladly. However, I believe if you surf through ALL of my exchanges, you will find not one single attack on anyone. That's not my style.
I do not wish to tell anyone how to act or what to say or not say. By the same token, I don't want someone "peeing in the pool" if I'm going to swim there too......
BTW, I think if you look back over all the posts, nobody has set out any rules or limits. A few, myself included, have made suggestions, and nothing more, of some ideas that might help everyone "conduct ourselves a more civil manner.".
Discussion is a good thing, debating makes you think, forces you to look at other sides and reason them out.
Fighting serves no usefull purpose that I can see.
Best of luck.
[self edit: In God knows how many years I've been here now, I think there has only been 4 or 5 threads that got so bad as to warrant intervention of any kind. In most cases where things started to go downhill a few members stepped in and a few words of guidance cooled things off.]
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Murf,
I was not saying that your retorts have been hostile or mean just the point that we all fence. You do have a special style and carry yourself well, a single tear runs down my cheek. I have not been a member for very long you are correct but just the same I am a paid member. There is alot of dust on this bottle and a few scratches. If someone can benefit from my experences then I have reached my goal. I have benefited several times from TP. If I can remember correctly you may have been the WISE OLD OWL on a few of those 
My resquest it that TP not change, if a few people have a tat so be it. I like the adversty. I am sorry I was not here during the "THINGY" days that must have been a hoot. Dennis XXXed that one out.
Billy,
It is not a big deal I would rather it not change. Read some of the old posts they are a riot.
EW,
You are still the Smartest Man I know or was that MURF, or Brokenarrow, cheif, WW, Annbush, Beagle, KT, KW, Peters, Dr, oneace even Dennis he started all of this. So many scholars here. Information with a tiwst comes real fast here, faster than when granny fell in the water barrel head first with no pantys on. At 7 years old that may have been a littl to much information. My Fathers, Granny's got dual exhaust.
just my thoughts
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SG: No, YOU are the wiseassed man I know.
You said Dennis (of CTB fame---the Owner)---don't you mean Denis (a member)?
I'm jis' tryin' to keep ya honest.
That grandma-and-the-panties thingy: Come, (pat, pat) sit on my couch here. Let's talk. So...how did that make you feel? (I'm not a therapist but I play one on the Web) 
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I had decided to stay away form this thread as I don't like controversy, I have no time for name calling or abusive languge by anyone anytime here on TP or anywhere else for that matter. So the simpilest solution to any abusive posters is simply don't respond to them, all they want is attention anyway, if no one responds they will just go away. Please SN8 just drop it and lets go on with life. FrANK.
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Frank, forgive me , but by posting that last reply, that DOES make you a part of it.
It's all in fun.
Let's all sing along "Kume-by-ya, kume-by ya..."
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sounded abusive to me I am hurt. ....
EW,
Just where is that couch, and do you have a big screen. I am a colts fan.
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SG: (in the voice of the infamous sexologist Dr. Ruth) Go ahead caller, vaht is your dysfunction?
And it's a "virtual couch" but I'll need your "actual insurance card", buddy Visa/MC accepted
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SG, thanks for the kind words......
Frank, unfortunately not everyone always has as level a head or even temper as the rest.
EW, I think you been down there too long, trolling for fellers to sit next to you on the couch now? Hmmmm, and you did have that "You sure do have a pretty mouth....." line down cold too.........
But I'm jiss noticin' is all..... 
Best of luck.
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To get back to the original topic - here are some observations on membership:
The majority of the REGULAR posters on this board have been around CUT's for some time now. As a result there is not much new tractor stuff to discuss - been there done that. This group of folk is also quite tight knit (in a virtual sense) for example some of you know one anothers real names etc. This makes the board less about tractors and more about the people on it.
This can have the following effects:
Messages are more personal in nature and have more opinion expressed than would otherwise be apparent. This can lead to more disruptive discussion as people weave their opinions into the posts. This attribute makes the board less attractive for new members and folk with dissenting views on the topics discussed. For example discussions on how to store your tractor safely degenerate into discussions on gun control and politics and this really decreases the value of the forum. Take a look at the topics recently posted and ID which of those really have tractors at the core of the discussion - it's less than what it should be.
The inclusion of "experts" on the board is a double edged sword - while they have lots of valuable information to contribute there is also a certain amount of objectivity lost when the experts weigh in on matters they are not experts in - their positions can be viewed to be absolute - and due to their position the reply to the post question or comment becomes "expert" dominant - this is not a good environment for civil discussion. The non-expert input on any issue (especially issues where the experts are not experts) can be repressed.
For me this board has been less rewarding (I still stop by every so often but it's much less than I used to) over the past year - for the following reasons:
Many of the posts stray off topic.
Many of the posts become personal.
I am more familiar with my own CUT and as a result rely less on the forum.
Because I am not viewed as an expert I feel my contributions to the board are not valued to the extent that I can justify taking the time and effort to contribute.
Going out on a limb here: The board is supposed to be about tractors but if your not a gun owning, Christian white male living on a farm or huge estate youre not going to feel a lot of comraderie - for me this translates to even less reason to participate.
The moderators idea is a good one. However I dont think the choice of using the experts as moderators was good, they are generally too central to the discussion to provide sufficient impression of objectivity - I'm not volunteering here though. But before we institute moderators we should first have some posting rules pinned to the top of each forum - simply putting them up will help keep the posts on topic and avoid conflict - it would also provide the moderators with a basis for doing what ever they decide to do in terminating posts etc.
Well thats enough from me.
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Ann, as usual, you make some very good points.
Definitely some food for thought there. I like your idea about some form posted information about posting. I will respectfully disagree that they should be rules though.
IMHO and experience, they will get respected far more if they are 'strongly suggested guides to proper etiquette' for the board rather than hard and fast rules.
I for one am truly sorry you feel the way you do, although we have certainly disagreed on some topics in the past, I believe you are a very intelligent and well-read person, who has some very good information and opinions. I often read your posts for no reason other than the fact they are yours. Gender has no bearing on that.
Best of luck.
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