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It works now, thanks Billy
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With all the different opinions, backgrounds, life experiences, professions, ages and what have you---there is bound to be clashing to one extent or another. To me this is the perfect blend and adds a little spice to life.
And besides no man is an island.
A wise friend told me that opinions are like a-----s (you know whats)---everyone has one and they all stink.
Reminds years ago when I looking for a church to make my home (figurativley speaking). The pastor said, "If you looking for the perfect church please don't join ours" He meant it to be taken two ways: "We're not perfect to begin with, so don't get your expectations up and join us". OR, "YOU'RE not perfect so don't join us"
But I'm jis' sayin'
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Joining this late but observed while it was in motion, I do find it surprising that folks find it startling that the membership has dropped - I think just having a thread called "pointless and hostile" pretty much sums it up.
In my opinion it’s always a recipe for disaster - and as true in life, sometimes you get what you asked for. This site is not alone in discovering a membership drop off in direct relation in having a religion & politics, or a down right "pointless and hostile" thread. The problem is easy to see and identifiable. I’m surprised that site likes this and others didn’t address it immediately once the link was positively identified.
I have been around for a good amount of time and I used to freely contribute in both time and membership. I have since stopped for sometime already not by accident. It is was it is until things change I guess...just my .02 worth
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Didn't want to say it myself. Ducati is 100% right. It's one thing for a bunch of buddies to sit around and shoot the bull and voice opinions with no worry of repercussions or insulting jabs.
That said, it's another thing to invite any and all to the party. To me that's what I call a "drive-by"---as in drive-by shooting.
IMHO, the "hostile" thread shouldn't be available on any level. I'd like to look in my crystal ball and say or predict what could/should/will happen, but my gut feeling is the tone of all the posts will become more positive and conducive to offering more solid information. Of course there will always be people like myself and a few other regulars who will add some color; on a certain level this IS a form of entertianment. But if one is looking for strictly information then probably the dealer or the library would best suit them.
But I'm jis' sayin'.
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I can see both of your points however I disagree to a small extent. I am sure Dennis selected that name tongue-in-cheek and expected anyone with a brain to figure that out. I, probably much like Dennis, never gave the "hostile" a second thought in that cranially-challenged individuals would go in there with the intention of degrading and insulting members of this board.
Seems a shame these days everything need be based upon the lowest common denominator. I suppose if he named it "Off Topic, Unoffensive, Politically Correct, Gender Neutral Discussion of Diverse Ideas we may have gotten the idea across to everyone. You all needed a laugh didn't ya!
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For those who weren't here then, pointless and hostile began as a place where threads that were degrading into hostility were banished. I don't think Dennis intended it to be a place where conversation took place. Then people started using it as a place to rant. That's OK, folks need to get things off their chest from time to time. Then the hostility sort of migrated out of their into other forums. That's when it got out of control.
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This is a tractor forum. If you can't control your Religion or Political views you shouldn't be here. Just because you have FIVE tractors under your name doesn't mean you are an expert. If you acquired those FIVE tractors in a short term, it means you like to talk a lot.
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Thanks for clearing the air on that one Ken. I even went through the extra work of excluding the banished content from "Pointless and Hostile" from the "messages as posted" page. Therefore if you were reading "Pointless and Hostile" then you had to be looking for it.
It was never the intention that we were looking for new Pointlees posts, it was the place I could put content rather than censor members messages.
I don't have much use for this type of thing. It is ironic that some of the most acrid exchanges were between members who apparently were sensitive to these bitter barbs.
The problem with the posts by some even on Tractor content can be when someone not only gives their thoughts on a topic, but then points out that another poster does not know that much, thus making it a personal attack. This is what we want the moderators to remove from message content. Hopefully things will be better this way.
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I just finished reading the thread -- interesting. I don't contribute much, but have learned a great deal. I dropped out for a long time because it seemed that there are (a) fewer posts and posters, and (b) posts are less-helpful to me -- there are fewer posts about "how-to" projects (like the Murphy pipe or ways to remove old posts -- and more posts that are nothing more than pointless arguments.
I came back because I had a question about the 3ph on my Kubota. It was answered promptly by a few people who had good suggestions -- that was worth my $20 annual fee.
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It had occured to me that the Pointless and Hostile thread should be renamed "Pointless" now that no more hostile content will be there 
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