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It's a damn shame that Mark and Chief and Eric are gone. I hope they do come back at some point.
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In reading how post vary off topic, how far off topic is acceptable on any topic? I asked about wear of R 1 tires on paved roads, would it have been acceptable for someone to have asked if the same advice pertained to say turf tires? Or should that person have started a totally new discussion? For some of us, the topic is broader than the way others may perceive it to be.
The question on how to cut Plexiglas was off topic I assume when how to DRILL holes and BEND it was discussed, but it sure was informative to me if no one else. Something else that shows up here often is one saying you either can not or should not do something a certain way. That could be either due to their experience or training. Then someone else comes back with, it will work that way or within this settings. There normally is more than one tool that will do the job.
I hope I am expressing this point correctly also, if you only listen to people who agree with you or don't present another point of view, you will learn much less, if anything new.
If I might add, is it possible there are more discussions on none tractor topics as it is being learned there are experts on other matters than just tractors? When you learn to trust someone in one area, it is natural to trust their advice in another. The danger is as AB pointed out, you assume they know as much in each area. But I think most here do a good job of pointed out, just my opinion or such. And that isjust my opinion. kt
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DenisS, are the one who use to be horsefarmer? If so hope all is going well.
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I agree with Murf, rules are something I would not like to see and in my view would drive people away. I belong to other boards (unrelated to tractors) and to be perfectly honest this one is leaps and bounds above them for it's lack of "snobbery" or gender abuse. This was one friendly board when I joined years ago and in my view it remains so.
I am no tractor expert, but have through my life's experience, acquired knowledge about many things that may be useful to other members. How often has anyone had a face to face conversation with a friend about just one thing? Try that with your neighbor sometime, doesn't work, so "Off Topic" to me is something better enforced at a board meeting. The only thing I take issue with is when someone becomes abusive or disrespectful.
We do not need to regulate to accommodate the lowest common denominator that might show up here. If and when it occurs, that particular individual will be the focus.
Just my two cents 
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Cutter, Annbush, and KT,
You are the smartest people I know well said and expressed. TP is the greatest and by far the best site. well worth my Fees.
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As a happy TP member for only about 2 years, I would like to weigh in with my thoughts for what they are worth....
Occasionally folks involved in a certain thread do go off topic but is that much different than a group of friends or relatives sitting around the front room talking? We go off topic, sometimes someone brings us back on, sometimes we just all go with the new topic and what's the harm. If we don't enjoy where the topic is going, we can try to change it and if we can't we might get up, leave the room and go get a beer from the fridge. Isn't that OK?
Sometimes we might find ourselves in a real life conversation where everyone knows each other quite well except we are the "outsider". Maybe we are uncomfortable and may not enter into the conversation, but often times the discussion is interesting enough just to listen and not engage. Sometimes we engage and pretty soon we are "part of the group".
Isn't it always our choice as to how we allow others to effect out thinking and behaviour? Aren't most problems in this world today caused by overactive imaginations and hyper sensitivities? I absolutely agree there have been some posting and threads that have gone overboard and need to be controlled and I agree in the general direction this board is taking to control some of these out of line threads. And I have confidence they will use the appropriate judgment when exercised that will not ruin this board but actually will make it a better place.
On the other hand, I think we all need to desensitize ourselves just a bit, allow for a few off topic posts, a few "buddies" to have some good natured banter and folks to offer their thoughts and opinions without undue concerns.
This is a great board where I can get a few laughs, some good information and just enjoy the conversations, off topic or not.
Let's all continue to try to improve it, shrug our collective shoulders once in a while and move on when we find something mildly disagreeable. We can easily leave the room, but let's not leave the house. We will all suffer if that happens.
Brian
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There is a lot of truth in Ann's comments. What we have here are lots of experts talking to other experts. Although everyone wants only expert opinions voiced here, what we need are tractor dummies like myself who ask dumb questions that the experts can answer. That is where the market niche is, dumb city folks who buy tractors.
I made 5 tractors here asking dumb questions. It was a surprise to me! Like Ann says, after a while you all answered my questions until I had no more questions to ask. There should be a distiction between expert tractors and dummy tractors. I clearly deserve 5 dummy tractors. Well - at least maybe I am now an expert with my own tractor until it breaks.
We need to attract more dummies with more questions for the experts to answer. To do that we need to accept and welcome non-tractor talk for tractor owners who have no more immediate tractor questions. I for one find this a great escape from the world of computers and business at the end of the day.
Edit / Maybe this site should be organized differently where there is an expert corner and a tractor owner corner - just food for thought / edit
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WARNING: OFF TOPIC ALERT
bvance: You are very much a Statesman; may I ask what you do for a living?
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IMHO there is no such thing as an "expert"--whether here or in life in general. There is always someone who knows a little more than you, lived a longer than you, and done it a different way than you (wow I sound like my dad now), and had a little more fun than you doing it, and did it cheaper than you. I've worked for and with so-called experts and invariably we each brought something to the table that the other didn't have. But that's life ain't it?
No man is an island.
I like bvance's reply. He's dead-on in my opinion. When this site becomes a board for strictly asking questions and no one can go off topic, then that falls under the category of DRUDGERY. Or a newspaper column. Or pay-by-the hour mechanic (some of my best friends are mechanics)
Those of us who are familar of "shop talk" or worked in a shop, know how things can get out of hand, but like bvance said, we are all friends---some have known each other longer and more intimately than others (and yes, Ann I realize this a sticking point with you, but that's the way it is).
Each of us come here for different reasons. For me it's an opportunity to "meet" others with semi-similar backgrounds--or not. Or "meet" others from the other parts of the globe. And I've come know some upstanding, nay outstanding people.
WARNING: OFF TOPIC ALERT
Even SG ('cuz he's got a purty mouth---as Murf would say). And that wasn't off-topic 'cuz the MODERATOR brought it up.
But I'm jis' defending myself.
Murf: That couch was adjacent my therapist chair for the record.
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It just occurred to me that what we are doing here on TP is a modern version of farmers talking over the fence, or going into town and talking to parts guy at the local tractor dealership, or the feed store (who remembers those?) You know yer gettin' old when you start asking things like that.
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EW,
Thanks for your kind comments. I don't mind answering your question as to what I do for a living, but I do ask that you brace youself! I am the president of a local community bank.
Now please, before you and everyone out there crucify me I fully realize that on the food chain of slime balls, bankers are on the bottom of the chain just one rung above attorneys....and I apolgize even to some of the attorneys out there because bankers may even be on the bottom rung at times.
Before I became a banker 30 years ago, I was born and raised on a working cattle ranch in Southern Idaho. That's where I learned how to work and possibly a little common sense and maybe even a little something about people....and then I became a banker and instantly in many peoples eyes, a lost cause. It's funny isn't it how we judge folks by their cover.
That's OK, because I'm just a simple country banker trying to enjoy life...
Brian
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Bvance - Geez, another tractor guy stuck in the world of business EW - I always feel better after reading your posts. Maybe we should create a new forum called "Late Night Tractor Psychiatry". Or how about "Tractor Philisophy"? You know, subjects like how many of you have actually bought a small toy replica of your big tractor? (I have) Or do you dream of driving your tractor during your sleep? (Ditto)
I must say though that being a dummy has its advantages. Once you accept that you are a dummy there is no place to go but up. And if one accepts the fact that there are dummies then there must be experts 
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